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I do appreciate your point of view on this, and I hope I did not come across as dismissive of your choice. If it was a thorough evaluation of the capabilities,

I do appreciate your point of view on this, and I hope I did not come across as dismissive of your choice. If it was a thorough evaluation of the capabilities, and it did not seem able to provide the user interactions you needed, I'm sure that is then a reasonable enough basis. My knee-jerk reaction however, was to think this might have been made without properly evaluating the capabilities of the platform. If I head over to https://gallery.flutter.dev/#/crane https://gallery.flutter.dev/#/crane, I am annoyed by how "app-like" it feels. I'm in a browser, I should be able to select tings. Clicking and dragging isn't supposed to scroll, it's supposed to select. It feels all wrong. But then again, this was mostly when coming at it from a "this is a website" approach. If the use case is to develop an app, then the conventions used have not felt weird to me.

kroltan 6y ago
Fair enough, and sorry if I seemed a bit combative too. However, I believe "this is a website" or "this is an app" is a perspective the user will take, despite what our intentions as creators were, and so, the safest bet would always be assume what is the norm for the platform, since the user would never be "disappointed" by that even if they expected an app-like feel. On the Web, (at least some, in my anecdata most) people expect to see Websites, even if highly interactive ones. I have not tested Flutter in a mobile application so I wouldn't be able to tell if it feels par to the course with other mobile applications, so it might be viable if you only need "Android<>iOS" portability.
- okamiueru 6y ago
  I'm glad we can be nice, stalking and all :D. I think those are very valid points, and I think Flutter has a much more natural place as a framework for mobile apps, or desktop software. The gallery showcase feels like a half-assed attempt at creating web-site like pages, that as you pointed out, all feel wrong. So using flutter to develop something like that, I think I'd have agreed with you. However, from just the app side, I do feel flutter developers have made the UX very much in line with that of apps. I rarely know if an app is made using flutter, or pure android (as for iOS, I have no clue. The cupertino stuff looks like iOS to me, but I also have no clue). I'm also not entirely convince that native apps with flutter is a good thing, especially considering that I'll be just another attempt at providing an opinionated UX stack that is completely different from that of the native experience. So, maybe we agreed more than we thought. I also believe that a native experience, one that matches the otherwise existing UI interactions should be king. Throwing App UX paradigms into website or desktop app bound to feel terrible. Maybe it can be made more enjoyable to use with better configurations more in line with the respective platforms.

kroltan 6y ago

Fair enough, and sorry if I seemed a bit combative too. However, I believe "this is a website" or "this is an app" is a perspective the user will take, despite what our intentions as creators were, and so, the safest bet would always be assume what is the norm for the platform, since the user would never be "disappointed" by that even if they expected an app-like feel. On the Web, (at least some, in my anecdata most) people expect to see Websites, even if highly interactive ones. I have not tested Flutter in a mobile application so I wouldn't be able to tell if it feels par to the course with other mobile applications, so it might be viable if you only need "Android<>iOS" portability.

okamiueru 6y ago
I'm glad we can be nice, stalking and all :D. I think those are very valid points, and I think Flutter has a much more natural place as a framework for mobile apps, or desktop software. The gallery showcase feels like a half-assed attempt at creating web-site like pages, that as you pointed out, all feel wrong. So using flutter to develop something like that, I think I'd have agreed with you. However, from just the app side, I do feel flutter developers have made the UX very much in line with that of apps. I rarely know if an app is made using flutter, or pure android (as for iOS, I have no clue. The cupertino stuff looks like iOS to me, but I also have no clue). I'm also not entirely convince that native apps with flutter is a good thing, especially considering that I'll be just another attempt at providing an opinionated UX stack that is completely different from that of the native experience. So, maybe we agreed more than we thought. I also believe that a native experience, one that matches the otherwise existing UI interactions should be king. Throwing App UX paradigms into website or desktop app bound to feel terrible. Maybe it can be made more enjoyable to use with better configurations more in line with the respective platforms.