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> JavaScript is spectacular and has reshaped our world for the better. It made popular language design even worse. It also can't be implemented efficiently or
by caslon 6y ago
> JavaScript is spectacular and has reshaped our world for the better.
It made popular language design even worse. It also can't be implemented efficiently or quickly, and on its own more than likely contributes to a sizeable portion of world carbon emissions.
> but he pioneered this movement.
What movement? The "worse languages than R6RS" movement? That's been going on for a long time; he didn't start it, he'll be long-gone before it's finished.
> This deserves respect.
There are plenty of people who have made programming languages. Few people have created as bad a language as Javascript. It deserves no respect.
> when has there ever been something awesome that simply was always awesome without bumps along the way?
CHIP-8. Plan 9. Inferno. Anything that Chuck Moore touched for the first forty years of his career. Gopher, up until the organization that owned Gopher decided to make it proprietary. Most of the things Alan Kay has released. VAX.
> during Brendan Eich's tenure, I assure you we all loved it.
You're speaking collectively but your perspective is flawed and easy to prove as wrong. I didn't, for example. Nor did anyone who actually cared about freedom: Mozilla allowing DRM into Web standards permanently was incredibly close if not during Eich's tenure, and Mozilla had already been doing most of everything wrong before that.
> I salute the little guy taking on the big guy.
The little guy is Ekioh. Not someone repackaging Chromium with a few half-working extensions and a new UI.
- rasengan 6y agoYou're entitled to your opinions, and I think they are beautiful. Sometimes, people will have different opinions based on their own experiences and based on what factors they are looking at. Regardless of everything you're saying here, you still use Firefox, so I know you respect Brendan. We're probably not going to get anywhere arguing about the importance of a programming language, etc., but thank you for this conversation and sharing your thoughts, as it did open up my eyes to differing opinions. Cheers!
- caslon 6y ago> so I know you respect Brendan. I really don't. Eich didn't make Firefox. I have respect for the three people who did make Firefox, but none for Eich. Eich hasn't done anything to earn respect.
- crazypython 6y ago> It made popular language design even worse. It also can't be implemented efficiently or quickly, and on its own more than likely contributes to a sizeable portion of world carbon emissions. V8 JIT is pretty efficient. It's not perfect, but Eich designed JS with JITs in mind.
- caslon 6y ago"pretty efficient" = slower than CCL and SBCL, implementations of a language that by-design isn't fast to begin with.