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That’s pretty cool. I like Brave, and Brendan and his team are doing great things over there. Brave is absolutely faster than Chrome, and I believe everyone her

That’s pretty cool. I like Brave, and Brendan and his team are doing great things over there. Brave is absolutely faster than Chrome, and I believe everyone here on HN considers Brendan a hero once they discover what he’s created. The search space absolutely needs more participants which will only help the experience for all internet users worldwide. This is very exciting for the search space. I’m also involved in this space so I wanted to let the Brave team know - if you’re interested in collaborating in any way with Private Search [1] I would love to chat. [1] https://private.sh https://private.sh

stephenr 6y ago
> I believe everyone here on HN considers Brendan a hero once they discover what he’s created. Nope
- pmurt7 6y ago
  Brendan Eich? Netscape, Firefox, JavaScript... and now Brave! He is a legend of the Internet you idiot!
  - chartpath 6y ago
    Yep, and he is against gay marriage.
    - mosselman 6y ago
      Source?
      - chartpath 6y ago
        https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/28/after-supporting-prop-8-brendan-eich-comes-under-fire-from-mozilla-employees-upon-ceo-appointment/ https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/28/after-supporting-prop-8-br...
      - stephenr 6y ago
        https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536
    - rasengan 6y ago
      Regardless, I’m not sure what that has to do with his contributions of code and product.
      - kube-system 6y ago
        It has nothing to do with that, but could have something to do with whether a person would consider someone a hero.
      - stephenr 6y ago
        It doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with it. I simply refuted the claim that everyone considers him “a hero”.
    - jjcon 6y ago
      So was Obama until halfway through his presidency but we don’t put scarlet letters on him... as a gay dude I’m sick of us branding people all the time... the dude is a legend no if’s ands or buts
      - stephenr 6y ago
        I’m sick of people elevating people on ridiculous pedestals - calling them hero’s and legends - and then getting upset when other people expect said “legend/hero” to <checks notes> not be a bigoted homophobe.
        jjcon 6y ago
        Inflammatory language like that isn’t suitable for HN - I hardly think donating to a org that supports a political proposition opposing gay marriage qualifies as ‘bigoted homophobe’ - but if your hatred keeps you going... carry on
      - chartpath 6y ago
        What? Yes we do, see drone strikes [0]. As a paranoid citizen I don't trust people with my privacy if they get off on punching down at other people's freedoms. Simultaneously I agree that Eich built some interesting technology. Just like Obama started to put a dent in mass incarceration [1]. [0] https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/oba... [1] https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/6/14189862/obama-mass-incarceration-prison https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/6/14189862/ob...
        jjcon 6y ago
        How are Obama sanctioned drone strikes at all comparable to a scarlet letter?
        barnesto 6y ago
        Point to the sanction that let him drone strike US citizens
    - pmurt7 6y ago
      "Think different" is so 1980, now it's "Think right". The thought police is ruining tech.
  - matesz 6y ago
    Don't forget about Ted Nelson ;)
  - stephenr 6y ago
    I know what he’s done. Does it offend you so much that I don’t consider him a “hero”? Idiot indeed.
    - nperez 6y ago
      I'm with you on it. I respect his work. I actually like Javascript. I think considering him a hero is a bit of a stretch. I don't think that's unreasonable. HN is really not a fun place to express left-leaning views tbh (or any political views, for that matter), but I feel how I feel.
caslon 6y ago
He created a terrible programming language and a browser that's slower than Safari and risks the privacy of its users with half-considered Tor implementations; he also made Mozilla, which has been doing more harm than good since long before he left it. What exactly is legendary about Eich?
- rasengan 6y ago
  JavaScript is spectacular and has reshaped our world for the better. I'm sure there will be improvements, but he pioneered this movement. This deserves respect. Brave is a new browser and will continue to improve. Take a step back and look at history - when has there ever been something awesome that simply was always awesome without bumps along the way? Finally, while some of Mozilla's more recent decisions have been brought to light on HN, during Brendan Eich's tenure, I assure you we all loved it. I salute the little guy taking on the big guy. Now, that's Brave.
  - caslon 6y ago
    > JavaScript is spectacular and has reshaped our world for the better. It made popular language design even worse. It also can't be implemented efficiently or quickly, and on its own more than likely contributes to a sizeable portion of world carbon emissions. > but he pioneered this movement. What movement? The "worse languages than R6RS" movement? That's been going on for a long time; he didn't start it, he'll be long-gone before it's finished. > This deserves respect. There are plenty of people who have made programming languages. Few people have created as bad a language as Javascript. It deserves no respect. > when has there ever been something awesome that simply was always awesome without bumps along the way? CHIP-8. Plan 9. Inferno. Anything that Chuck Moore touched for the first forty years of his career. Gopher, up until the organization that owned Gopher decided to make it proprietary. Most of the things Alan Kay has released. VAX. > during Brendan Eich's tenure, I assure you we all loved it. You're speaking collectively but your perspective is flawed and easy to prove as wrong. I didn't, for example. Nor did anyone who actually cared about freedom: Mozilla allowing DRM into Web standards permanently was incredibly close if not during Eich's tenure, and Mozilla had already been doing most of everything wrong before that. > I salute the little guy taking on the big guy. The little guy is Ekioh. Not someone repackaging Chromium with a few half-working extensions and a new UI.

stephenr 6y ago

> I believe everyone here on HN considers Brendan a hero once they discover what he’s created. Nope

pmurt7 6y ago
Brendan Eich? Netscape, Firefox, JavaScript... and now Brave! He is a legend of the Internet you idiot!
- chartpath 6y ago
  Yep, and he is against gay marriage.
  - mosselman 6y ago
    Source?
    - chartpath 6y ago
      https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/28/after-supporting-prop-8-brendan-eich-comes-under-fire-from-mozilla-employees-upon-ceo-appointment/ https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/28/after-supporting-prop-8-br...
    - stephenr 6y ago
      https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536
  - rasengan 6y ago
    Regardless, I’m not sure what that has to do with his contributions of code and product.
    - kube-system 6y ago
      It has nothing to do with that, but could have something to do with whether a person would consider someone a hero.
    - stephenr 6y ago
      It doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with it. I simply refuted the claim that everyone considers him “a hero”.
  - jjcon 6y ago
    So was Obama until halfway through his presidency but we don’t put scarlet letters on him... as a gay dude I’m sick of us branding people all the time... the dude is a legend no if’s ands or buts
    - stephenr 6y ago
      I’m sick of people elevating people on ridiculous pedestals - calling them hero’s and legends - and then getting upset when other people expect said “legend/hero” to <checks notes> not be a bigoted homophobe.
      - jjcon 6y ago
        Inflammatory language like that isn’t suitable for HN - I hardly think donating to a org that supports a political proposition opposing gay marriage qualifies as ‘bigoted homophobe’ - but if your hatred keeps you going... carry on
    - chartpath 6y ago
      What? Yes we do, see drone strikes [0]. As a paranoid citizen I don't trust people with my privacy if they get off on punching down at other people's freedoms. Simultaneously I agree that Eich built some interesting technology. Just like Obama started to put a dent in mass incarceration [1]. [0] https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/oba... [1] https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/6/14189862/obama-mass-incarceration-prison https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/6/14189862/ob...
      - jjcon 6y ago
        How are Obama sanctioned drone strikes at all comparable to a scarlet letter?
        barnesto 6y ago
        Point to the sanction that let him drone strike US citizens
  - pmurt7 6y ago
    "Think different" is so 1980, now it's "Think right". The thought police is ruining tech.
- matesz 6y ago
  Don't forget about Ted Nelson ;)
- stephenr 6y ago
  I know what he’s done. Does it offend you so much that I don’t consider him a “hero”? Idiot indeed.
  - nperez 6y ago
    I'm with you on it. I respect his work. I actually like Javascript. I think considering him a hero is a bit of a stretch. I don't think that's unreasonable. HN is really not a fun place to express left-leaning views tbh (or any political views, for that matter), but I feel how I feel.

caslon 6y ago

He created a terrible programming language and a browser that's slower than Safari and risks the privacy of its users with half-considered Tor implementations; he also made Mozilla, which has been doing more harm than good since long before he left it. What exactly is legendary about Eich?

rasengan 6y ago
JavaScript is spectacular and has reshaped our world for the better. I'm sure there will be improvements, but he pioneered this movement. This deserves respect. Brave is a new browser and will continue to improve. Take a step back and look at history - when has there ever been something awesome that simply was always awesome without bumps along the way? Finally, while some of Mozilla's more recent decisions have been brought to light on HN, during Brendan Eich's tenure, I assure you we all loved it. I salute the little guy taking on the big guy. Now, that's Brave.
- caslon 6y ago
  > JavaScript is spectacular and has reshaped our world for the better. It made popular language design even worse. It also can't be implemented efficiently or quickly, and on its own more than likely contributes to a sizeable portion of world carbon emissions. > but he pioneered this movement. What movement? The "worse languages than R6RS" movement? That's been going on for a long time; he didn't start it, he'll be long-gone before it's finished. > This deserves respect. There are plenty of people who have made programming languages. Few people have created as bad a language as Javascript. It deserves no respect. > when has there ever been something awesome that simply was always awesome without bumps along the way? CHIP-8. Plan 9. Inferno. Anything that Chuck Moore touched for the first forty years of his career. Gopher, up until the organization that owned Gopher decided to make it proprietary. Most of the things Alan Kay has released. VAX. > during Brendan Eich's tenure, I assure you we all loved it. You're speaking collectively but your perspective is flawed and easy to prove as wrong. I didn't, for example. Nor did anyone who actually cared about freedom: Mozilla allowing DRM into Web standards permanently was incredibly close if not during Eich's tenure, and Mozilla had already been doing most of everything wrong before that. > I salute the little guy taking on the big guy. The little guy is Ekioh. Not someone repackaging Chromium with a few half-working extensions and a new UI.