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That's good for you and I'm glad you're happy but for some of us, considering the work with are doing, sometimes even 32GB is not really enough. Different peop

by _gqhf 6y ago

That's good for you and I'm glad you're happy but for some of us, considering the work with are doing, sometimes even 32GB is not really enough. Different people, different needs.

tapia 6y ago
Too many electron apps? :P
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  Boy isn't that the truth. I actively avoid them but sometimes you just can't like with signal-desktop. I actually have to keep it running because I don't want to reach for my phone every 10 minutes. Something as simple as that interface doesn't need electron but oh well. Maybe a lite version with just text and contacts would be acceptable. I don't need stickers, gifs and emojis.
Toutouxc 6y ago
That's fine, but people like these are mostly outliers in the dev community, they exist on Linux, Windows and even macOS and they definitely KNOW perfectly well what their requirements are and why. The post I was replying to said something very different and much weirder.
skohan 6y ago
What do you need 32GB for? Video editing? ML training on CPU? I have to imagine this is a minority.
- OldHand2018 6y ago
  If someone needs 32GB then they need 32GB. The M1 is Apple’s low-end chip, currently available only on their cheapest computers. It’s like complaining that a Corolla can’t keep up with a Ferrari on a race track. The most charitable interpretation is that the person doesn’t understand the market position of the two items.
  - skohan 6y ago
    I’m just asking what would be a use case where you would actually need this
    - OldHand2018 6y ago
      My work desktop is 32GB and it falls over any time I try to create really big R data sets for others. I have to use a cloud machine with 64GB, and I run that out of memory most of the time when trying to optimize the production pipeline. They refuse to give me anything larger, so that's my upper limit. If anyone knows how to create giant .rds files without storing everything in memory first, I'd love to hear it.
    - macNchz 6y ago
      I find it easy to sneak up on 16gb of memory when running basic apps (editor, bunch of browser tabs, zoom, spotify) plus a complete environment for a mid sized web app (multiple services, dbs, message queue, caches, js bundler, workers etc), especially if I’m running tests and have mobile device VMs up. Pretty cheap insurance over the life of a machine to get 32gb of RAM and never have to think about it.
      - foldr 6y ago
        Right, but that’s what swap is for. It doesn’t necessarily mean that you need more than 16GB.
        macNchz 6y ago
        Perhaps you're correct that I don't need it in the sense that I only very occasionally find myself with a dataset or something that doesn't fit in memory, and could just run a high memory cloud instance for a bit to process it. Even still, my experience of desktop Linux under memory pressure has been frustrating, even with fast SSDs, and overspeccing the memory is an inexpensive guarantee that my system will never start thrashing during an important screenshare demo or something, so it's an obvious choice if I'm shopping for a new computer. When I built this computer last year the cost difference between 16 and 32GB was like $40...easy to justify a 2-3% premium on the overall cost of the machine to never have to give a second thought to conserving memory. That said, Apple charges $400 for the same upgrade (in their machines that support 32GB), so the calculus there is a bit different.
- Moto7451 6y ago
  Not the OP, but I fill 32GB pretty decently when I run my work’s customer facing web stack, database server, ancillary services, and a couple search engine instances. Prior to moving to locally hosted containers my main memory gripe was Electron. I much prefer having all of my development localized though. It’s a lot closer to the good parts of when I wrote “shrink wrapped” desktop software.
- bluedino 6y ago
  >> What do you need 32GB for? Massive projects. Or a couple VM's. The first laptop I saw running a VM was a Dell Precision M50 (?), it was 2" thick and almost 10lbs. It had something ridiculous (at the the time) like 1 or 1.5GB of RAM. A sales guy was demoing a product to us, and it spun up a Windows 2000 VM for IIS and another for SQL server, it probably took 10 minutes to get started but he could then demo the app through the browser. Sounds silly but it worked. "But can't you just run it on a server somewhere" Yes. That'd be cheaper and faster. But at this high end of the market, it might make more sense for some people.
- jhoechtl 6y ago
  Running a Filecoin full node. Mind you, not mining, just verifying. https://docs.filecoin.io/get-started/lotus/installation/#minimal-requirements https://docs.filecoin.io/get-started/lotus/installation/#min...
- LawnGnome 6y ago
  I work on a medium-to-large sized project that has a Go backend and a React/TypeScript frontend. Having our full development environment running (a handful of Go processes, Webpack, PostgreSQL, Redis, an indexing server, and probably other stuff I'm forgetting) and trying to edit code in both simultaneously (so having LSP servers running for both Go and TypeScript) is usually enough to cause my 16 GB laptop to swap heavily. It's not a pleasant experience: think multi-second UI lockups, music skipping, that kind of thing. So, realistically, at this point I need a 32 GB machine to effectively do my job. Minority? Sure. But I think there are enough people in my boat that it's a legitimate market to have an option for.
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  Somehow if you have that kind of memory it tends to fill up.
- immigrantsheep 6y ago
  Run and compile very big C++/.net applications and big scenes in Unreal Engine and Houdini. edit: I love how I got downvoted because my work can't fit into a toy Mac M1

by _gqhf 6y ago

That's good for you and I'm glad you're happy but for some of us, considering the work with are doing, sometimes even 32GB is not really enough. Different people, different needs.

tapia 6y ago

Too many electron apps? :P

stjohnswarts 6y ago
Boy isn't that the truth. I actively avoid them but sometimes you just can't like with signal-desktop. I actually have to keep it running because I don't want to reach for my phone every 10 minutes. Something as simple as that interface doesn't need electron but oh well. Maybe a lite version with just text and contacts would be acceptable. I don't need stickers, gifs and emojis.

Toutouxc 6y ago

That's fine, but people like these are mostly outliers in the dev community, they exist on Linux, Windows and even macOS and they definitely KNOW perfectly well what their requirements are and why. The post I was replying to said something very different and much weirder.

skohan 6y ago

What do you need 32GB for? Video editing? ML training on CPU? I have to imagine this is a minority.

OldHand2018 6y ago
If someone needs 32GB then they need 32GB. The M1 is Apple’s low-end chip, currently available only on their cheapest computers. It’s like complaining that a Corolla can’t keep up with a Ferrari on a race track. The most charitable interpretation is that the person doesn’t understand the market position of the two items.
- skohan 6y ago
  I’m just asking what would be a use case where you would actually need this
  - OldHand2018 6y ago
    My work desktop is 32GB and it falls over any time I try to create really big R data sets for others. I have to use a cloud machine with 64GB, and I run that out of memory most of the time when trying to optimize the production pipeline. They refuse to give me anything larger, so that's my upper limit. If anyone knows how to create giant .rds files without storing everything in memory first, I'd love to hear it.
  - macNchz 6y ago
    I find it easy to sneak up on 16gb of memory when running basic apps (editor, bunch of browser tabs, zoom, spotify) plus a complete environment for a mid sized web app (multiple services, dbs, message queue, caches, js bundler, workers etc), especially if I’m running tests and have mobile device VMs up. Pretty cheap insurance over the life of a machine to get 32gb of RAM and never have to think about it.
    - foldr 6y ago
      Right, but that’s what swap is for. It doesn’t necessarily mean that you need more than 16GB.
      - macNchz 6y ago
        Perhaps you're correct that I don't need it in the sense that I only very occasionally find myself with a dataset or something that doesn't fit in memory, and could just run a high memory cloud instance for a bit to process it. Even still, my experience of desktop Linux under memory pressure has been frustrating, even with fast SSDs, and overspeccing the memory is an inexpensive guarantee that my system will never start thrashing during an important screenshare demo or something, so it's an obvious choice if I'm shopping for a new computer. When I built this computer last year the cost difference between 16 and 32GB was like $40...easy to justify a 2-3% premium on the overall cost of the machine to never have to give a second thought to conserving memory. That said, Apple charges $400 for the same upgrade (in their machines that support 32GB), so the calculus there is a bit different.
Moto7451 6y ago
Not the OP, but I fill 32GB pretty decently when I run my work’s customer facing web stack, database server, ancillary services, and a couple search engine instances. Prior to moving to locally hosted containers my main memory gripe was Electron. I much prefer having all of my development localized though. It’s a lot closer to the good parts of when I wrote “shrink wrapped” desktop software.
bluedino 6y ago
>> What do you need 32GB for? Massive projects. Or a couple VM's. The first laptop I saw running a VM was a Dell Precision M50 (?), it was 2" thick and almost 10lbs. It had something ridiculous (at the the time) like 1 or 1.5GB of RAM. A sales guy was demoing a product to us, and it spun up a Windows 2000 VM for IIS and another for SQL server, it probably took 10 minutes to get started but he could then demo the app through the browser. Sounds silly but it worked. "But can't you just run it on a server somewhere" Yes. That'd be cheaper and faster. But at this high end of the market, it might make more sense for some people.
jhoechtl 6y ago
Running a Filecoin full node. Mind you, not mining, just verifying. https://docs.filecoin.io/get-started/lotus/installation/#minimal-requirements https://docs.filecoin.io/get-started/lotus/installation/#min...
LawnGnome 6y ago
I work on a medium-to-large sized project that has a Go backend and a React/TypeScript frontend. Having our full development environment running (a handful of Go processes, Webpack, PostgreSQL, Redis, an indexing server, and probably other stuff I'm forgetting) and trying to edit code in both simultaneously (so having LSP servers running for both Go and TypeScript) is usually enough to cause my 16 GB laptop to swap heavily. It's not a pleasant experience: think multi-second UI lockups, music skipping, that kind of thing. So, realistically, at this point I need a 32 GB machine to effectively do my job. Minority? Sure. But I think there are enough people in my boat that it's a legitimate market to have an option for.
tinus_hn 6y ago
Somehow if you have that kind of memory it tends to fill up.
immigrantsheep 6y ago
Run and compile very big C++/.net applications and big scenes in Unreal Engine and Houdini. edit: I love how I got downvoted because my work can't fit into a toy Mac M1