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https://www.icann.org/registrar-reports/accreditation-qualified-list.html https://www.icann.org/registrar-reports/accreditation-qualif... I doubt that every in

by progre 6y ago

https://www.icann.org/registrar-reports/accreditation-qualified-list.html https://www.icann.org/registrar-reports/accreditation-qualif... I doubt that every individual connected to these organizations have a spot free reputation, so ICANN is really putting themselves in a weird position by singling out Sunde.

notahacker 6y ago
I suspect not many of those other registrars are run by people able to use the line "they were also unhappy I was wanted by Interpol"...
- chmod775 6y ago
  It's weird to hold that against someone though. Interpol is not judiciary. It's not even proper part of any executive.
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  Guilty untill proven innocent?
  - notahacker 6y ago
    No, guilty as found by a court that handed him an eight month jail sentence. Even if you think that was unfair and his Pirate Bay enterprise was generally a good thing for content discovery, it's unsurprising that an organisation for the administration of intellectual property doesn't consider an enterprise run by someone with a conviction for criminal copyright infringement suitable for its partner list.
    - toyg 6y ago
      But it was 15+ years ago. I guess they don't believe in rehabilitation... Can US companies discriminate on the basis of such ancient history?
      - withinboredom 6y ago
        My [censored, someone close to me] can't even get a passport because of something that happened when he was 20. He's more than twice that age now.
      - jedimastert 6y ago
        Yes, yes they can. Felons are second-class citizens in the US.
      - lupire 6y ago
        Had he ever claimed to be rehabilitated? He's an active member of a political party named after his criminal enterprise. You may think he's morally right, but he broke the law and as far as I know never repented his choice.
        rakoo 6y ago
        So, what's the point of punishment if you can't be rehabilitated anyway ? Why bother deciding on the exact perimeter of a sentence if the only thing that will matter is a boolean ?
        notahacker 6y ago
        Believe it or not, the criteria for an entity to trust someone enough to grant them the privilege of accrediting them as a domain registrar can be somewhat different from the criteria the state uses to decide whether it is cruel and unusual not to release them from prison. The fact some people can be rehabilitated, doesn't mean that they always are, or that keeping people in jail indefinitely because they haven't said sorry is a proportional punishment/deterrent. The social consensus you're arguing against is that the range of attitudes towards people convicted of crimes shouldn't be as simple as a boolean updating from INCARCERATE to MAXIMUM TRUST on the date they say sorry.
        ClumsyPilot 6y ago
        Criteria used by the state are examined by an impartial judge, publically, and must be proven beyong reasonable doubt. Criteria used by ICANN are unaccountable, capricious and prone to abuse of power The argument is about due process.
newsclues 6y ago
He denies that assumption in the Twitter thread

by progre 6y ago

notahacker 6y ago

I suspect not many of those other registrars are run by people able to use the line "they were also unhappy I was wanted by Interpol"...

chmod775 6y ago
It's weird to hold that against someone though. Interpol is not judiciary. It's not even proper part of any executive.
ClumsyPilot 6y ago
Guilty untill proven innocent?
- notahacker 6y ago
  No, guilty as found by a court that handed him an eight month jail sentence. Even if you think that was unfair and his Pirate Bay enterprise was generally a good thing for content discovery, it's unsurprising that an organisation for the administration of intellectual property doesn't consider an enterprise run by someone with a conviction for criminal copyright infringement suitable for its partner list.
  - toyg 6y ago
    But it was 15+ years ago. I guess they don't believe in rehabilitation... Can US companies discriminate on the basis of such ancient history?
    - withinboredom 6y ago
      My [censored, someone close to me] can't even get a passport because of something that happened when he was 20. He's more than twice that age now.
    - jedimastert 6y ago
      Yes, yes they can. Felons are second-class citizens in the US.
    - lupire 6y ago
      Had he ever claimed to be rehabilitated? He's an active member of a political party named after his criminal enterprise. You may think he's morally right, but he broke the law and as far as I know never repented his choice.
      - rakoo 6y ago
        So, what's the point of punishment if you can't be rehabilitated anyway ? Why bother deciding on the exact perimeter of a sentence if the only thing that will matter is a boolean ?
        notahacker 6y ago
        Believe it or not, the criteria for an entity to trust someone enough to grant them the privilege of accrediting them as a domain registrar can be somewhat different from the criteria the state uses to decide whether it is cruel and unusual not to release them from prison. The fact some people can be rehabilitated, doesn't mean that they always are, or that keeping people in jail indefinitely because they haven't said sorry is a proportional punishment/deterrent. The social consensus you're arguing against is that the range of attitudes towards people convicted of crimes shouldn't be as simple as a boolean updating from INCARCERATE to MAXIMUM TRUST on the date they say sorry.
        ClumsyPilot 6y ago
        Criteria used by the state are examined by an impartial judge, publically, and must be proven beyong reasonable doubt. Criteria used by ICANN are unaccountable, capricious and prone to abuse of power The argument is about due process.

newsclues 6y ago

He denies that assumption in the Twitter thread