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Just for perspective: Proposed Appleplex: 1.4 mil sq ft (?), 12-13k employees Pentagon: 6.5 mil sq ft (3.7 mil for offices), 26k employees Empire State Buil

by Steko 15y ago

Just for perspective: Proposed Appleplex: 1.4 mil sq ft (?), 12-13k employees Pentagon: 6.5 mil sq ft (3.7 mil for offices), 26k employees Empire State Building: 2.8 mil sq ft, 21k (?) employees

hugh3 15y ago
Now I'm curious -- what's in the other 2.8 million square feet of the Pentagon?
- icey 15y ago
  Hallways, conference rooms, shops (there is a small mall in the Pentagon), more hallways, bunkers, monuments / military museums, and a bunch of other general use areas.
  - brudgers 15y ago
    It's important to keep in mind that when the Pentagon was built, a computer was a person who did calculations and documents were sent to the secretarial pool to be typed; so the number and roles of its occupants were quite different. The space has been re-purposed over the past 70 years.
    - icey 15y ago
      It's a very interesting building. You can tell that it was made with a focus on people walking from place to place. I think there are tours open to the public (but require a reservation). I'm pretty sure it's the only tour in the U.S. that features a Marine walking backwards for over a mile. I think there are over 15 miles of hallways in the Pentagon. There are 5 levels with 5 rings each, so you can imagine that's a lot of places to walk. One of the things that isn't so nice now is the anti-radiation film that got placed on the windows after 9/11. The film is bright yellow, so everything that sunlight touches has kind of a gross pee colored tinge to it.
- sambeau 15y ago
  In part, too many restrooms. They have twice as many as they need as they original built segregated rooms for blacks and whites. http://www.snopes.com/military/pentagonbathrooms.asp http://www.snopes.com/military/pentagonbathrooms.asp
dpatru 15y ago
The Pentegon is not under market pressure to be efficient or turn a profit. They don't even get audited.
- dctoedt 15y ago
  > The Pentegon [sic; Pentagon] is not under market pressure to be efficient or turn a profit. They don't even get audited. The GAO [1] does something close to auditing - although the Pentagon's financial statements aren't in the kind of shape that they even can be audited (something the GAO and DOD are working on). [2] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Accountability_Office http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Accountability_Offic... [2] http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20100930/DEPARTMENTS01/9300303/?sms_ss=email&at_xt=4ca4e47c08d335e1,0 http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20100930/DEPARTMENTS01/9...
  - camiller 15y ago
    Heck, the Omaha Fire Department's books can't be audited either. http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/article_cbb9216e-e2bd-11df-803b-001cc4c03286.html http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/arti... and I applaud your use of bracketed numbers, even if they are not blue. http://xkcd.com/906/ http://xkcd.com/906/
joubert 15y ago
One thing I cringed at in Jobs' presentation was framing the 4-story high design as "human scale". The Empire State Building is also human scale.
- davej 15y ago
  Human Scale has a different meaning in art and architecture than it does in scientific fields. In architecture, it simply means that the building is designed to fit well with the human senses. Wikipedia has more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_scale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_scale
- kmt 15y ago
  It means that the building doesn't overwhelm you. Like the buildings in Paris for example.
  - joubert 15y ago
    I assume you exclude the buildings at La Défense?
    - kmt 15y ago
      Yes, absolutely.
      - joubert 15y ago
        I find, for example, the Grand Arche uplifting. Tagging an architecture as not "human scale" seems to me an attempt to pit it against human aspirations.

by Steko 15y ago

Just for perspective: Proposed Appleplex: 1.4 mil sq ft (?), 12-13k employees Pentagon: 6.5 mil sq ft (3.7 mil for offices), 26k employees Empire State Building: 2.8 mil sq ft, 21k (?) employees

hugh3 15y ago

Now I'm curious -- what's in the other 2.8 million square feet of the Pentagon?

icey 15y ago
Hallways, conference rooms, shops (there is a small mall in the Pentagon), more hallways, bunkers, monuments / military museums, and a bunch of other general use areas.
- brudgers 15y ago
  It's important to keep in mind that when the Pentagon was built, a computer was a person who did calculations and documents were sent to the secretarial pool to be typed; so the number and roles of its occupants were quite different. The space has been re-purposed over the past 70 years.
  - icey 15y ago
    It's a very interesting building. You can tell that it was made with a focus on people walking from place to place. I think there are tours open to the public (but require a reservation). I'm pretty sure it's the only tour in the U.S. that features a Marine walking backwards for over a mile. I think there are over 15 miles of hallways in the Pentagon. There are 5 levels with 5 rings each, so you can imagine that's a lot of places to walk. One of the things that isn't so nice now is the anti-radiation film that got placed on the windows after 9/11. The film is bright yellow, so everything that sunlight touches has kind of a gross pee colored tinge to it.
sambeau 15y ago
In part, too many restrooms. They have twice as many as they need as they original built segregated rooms for blacks and whites. http://www.snopes.com/military/pentagonbathrooms.asp http://www.snopes.com/military/pentagonbathrooms.asp

dpatru 15y ago

The Pentegon is not under market pressure to be efficient or turn a profit. They don't even get audited.

dctoedt 15y ago
> The Pentegon [sic; Pentagon] is not under market pressure to be efficient or turn a profit. They don't even get audited. The GAO [1] does something close to auditing - although the Pentagon's financial statements aren't in the kind of shape that they even can be audited (something the GAO and DOD are working on). [2] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Accountability_Office http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Accountability_Offic... [2] http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20100930/DEPARTMENTS01/9300303/?sms_ss=email&at_xt=4ca4e47c08d335e1,0 http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20100930/DEPARTMENTS01/9...
- camiller 15y ago
  Heck, the Omaha Fire Department's books can't be audited either. http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/article_cbb9216e-e2bd-11df-803b-001cc4c03286.html http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/arti... and I applaud your use of bracketed numbers, even if they are not blue. http://xkcd.com/906/ http://xkcd.com/906/

joubert 15y ago

One thing I cringed at in Jobs' presentation was framing the 4-story high design as "human scale". The Empire State Building is also human scale.

davej 15y ago
Human Scale has a different meaning in art and architecture than it does in scientific fields. In architecture, it simply means that the building is designed to fit well with the human senses. Wikipedia has more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_scale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_scale
kmt 15y ago
It means that the building doesn't overwhelm you. Like the buildings in Paris for example.
- joubert 15y ago
  I assume you exclude the buildings at La Défense?
  - kmt 15y ago
    Yes, absolutely.
    - joubert 15y ago
      I find, for example, the Grand Arche uplifting. Tagging an architecture as not "human scale" seems to me an attempt to pit it against human aspirations.