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So then why microdose if there is no measurable effect?

wyqydsyq 6y ago
Because the only things it does tangibly effect are your mood and mental perspective, things that are entirely subjective and do not have concrete metrics that can be used for measurement, especially when comparing that between different subjects. The only really noticeable effect of microdosing is at the end of the day you might notice you feel it was a really good day and you're happy. The thing is though this isn't distinguishable from someone simply having a good day and feeling happy. The data collected in this study would have essentially been irrelevant noise, based more on the aggregate of day-to-day experiences of the subjects rather than whether or not they received a placebo. Microdosing inherently is indistinguishable from a placebo effect as far as empirical measurements go. If the participants who received a microdose were able to somehow measure their experience with a different result to those in the control group, then they weren't microdosing, they were actually tripping.
- ranguna 6y ago
  With that logic, we can disregard any statistical study that we don't like as "noise"
- asidiali 6y ago
  Couldn’t you measure change in avg number of happy vs neutral or unhappy days over a set time period? I guess that’d only be useful for yourself and not an objective measurement...
admiral33 6y ago
No measurable effect is not the same as volunteer's perception of it's effect. A comprehensive psychiatric evaluation uses a series of smaller evaluations that includes a self assessment as well as other assessments for memory, speech etc [0][1]. [0]: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/comprehensive-psychiatric-evaluation https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-t... [1]: http://www.brooklynlearningcenter.com/services/what-it-consists-of.php http://www.brooklynlearningcenter.com/services/what-it-consi...
- asidiali 6y ago
  Wouldn’t a comprehensive psychiatric evaluation be looking for some sort of markers, or metrics, to determine a known vs unknown state or evaluation result? Per your link, psych eval is to determine known disorders or other mental states. By definition, there has to be criteria. You said, no measurable effect is not the same as volunteers perception of the effect. But wouldn’t that still be a measurable effect, by the volunteers perception?

Because the only things it does tangibly effect are your mood and mental perspective, things that are entirely subjective and do not have concrete metrics that can be used for measurement, especially when comparing that between different subjects. The only really noticeable effect of microdosing is at the end of the day you might notice you feel it was a really good day and you're happy. The thing is though this isn't distinguishable from someone simply having a good day and feeling happy. The data collected in this study would have essentially been irrelevant noise, based more on the aggregate of day-to-day experiences of the subjects rather than whether or not they received a placebo. Microdosing inherently is indistinguishable from a placebo effect as far as empirical measurements go. If the participants who received a microdose were able to somehow measure their experience with a different result to those in the control group, then they weren't microdosing, they were actually tripping.

ranguna 6y ago
With that logic, we can disregard any statistical study that we don't like as "noise"
asidiali 6y ago
Couldn’t you measure change in avg number of happy vs neutral or unhappy days over a set time period? I guess that’d only be useful for yourself and not an objective measurement...

admiral33 6y ago

No measurable effect is not the same as volunteer's perception of it's effect. A comprehensive psychiatric evaluation uses a series of smaller evaluations that includes a self assessment as well as other assessments for memory, speech etc [0][1]. [0]: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/comprehensive-psychiatric-evaluation https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-t... [1]: http://www.brooklynlearningcenter.com/services/what-it-consists-of.php http://www.brooklynlearningcenter.com/services/what-it-consi...

asidiali 6y ago
Wouldn’t a comprehensive psychiatric evaluation be looking for some sort of markers, or metrics, to determine a known vs unknown state or evaluation result? Per your link, psych eval is to determine known disorders or other mental states. By definition, there has to be criteria. You said, no measurable effect is not the same as volunteers perception of the effect. But wouldn’t that still be a measurable effect, by the volunteers perception?