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The author of this paper is Claus P. Schnorr[1], of Schnorr signature fame. The paper has almost the same title as a 2017 draft paper[2] of his. The “This dest

The author of this paper is Claus P. Schnorr[1], of Schnorr signature fame. The paper has almost the same title as a 2017 draft paper[2] of his. The “This destroyes the RSA cryptosystem” quote is not in the linked paper abstract. This seems fishy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_P._Schnorr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_P._Schnorr [2] https://www.math.uni-frankfurt.de/~dmst/research/papers/SVP9.pdf https://www.math.uni-frankfurt.de/~dmst/research/papers/SVP9...

detaro 6y ago
EDIT: that draft appears in clearer sources with the same spelling, disregard below... He also apparently misspelled(?) his own name. It's "Claus-Peter" (also on other publications), not "Claus Peter". agreed, seems odd.
- gpm 6y ago
  Claus Peter is the name on the actual (2019 draft) paper too? https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/232.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/232.pdf
- monocasa 6y ago
  I wouldn't necessarily consider that a misspelling.
- Centigonal 6y ago
  he spells it like that on his published research, though. See here: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-42001-6_6 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-42001-6_...
  - detaro 6y ago
    yep, found that too. disregard that then, just seemed odd on first glance.
    - Centigonal 6y ago
      Agree!
yesenadam 6y ago
> The paper has the same title as a 2017 draft paper Not quite the same title. He has papers with similar titles since at least 2010. I wanted to say thanks - this document linked to on his wikipedia page was unexpectedly fascinating! NSA, patents, conspiracies.. https://marc.info/?l=cypherpunks&m=95280154624588&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=cypherpunks&m=95280154624588&w=2
- dleslie 6y ago
  Be careful, cypherpunks is a fascinating rabit hole; you can easily fall in and forever alter your perspective.
  - gnatman 6y ago
    There’s a ton of material on that site- any other lists you can recommended exploring?
    - dleslie 6y ago
      You could do worse than reading the book, which is an interview with some key players: https://www.orbooks.com/catalog/cypherpunks/ https://www.orbooks.com/catalog/cypherpunks/ Or this: https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/getting-started/what-is-the-cypherpunks-mailing-list https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/getting-started/what-is-the-cyphe...
      - yesenadam 6y ago
        Thanks, looks great. It's by Julian Assange and a few others. First words of the book: "What is a Cypherpunk? Cypherpunks advocate for the use of cryptography and similar methods as ways to achieve societal and political change. Founded in the early 1990s, the movement has been most active during the 1990s “cryptowars” and following the 2011 internet spring. The term cypherpunk, derived from (cryptographic) cipher and punk, was added to the Oxford English Dictionary in 2006" So I thought, hmm that sounds like the crypto-anarchy that was discussed on HN the other day. And your 2nd link has a page on that[1]. Indeed they sound like the same idea – one is the people, the other is the system they want. Cyber-equality. Defined, rather, by the system they don't want: the powerful able to read the communications of the less powerful, but not vice versa. Is there anyone (openly) arguing this would be a bad thing? (Also I'm wondering why I've heard about bitcoin/blockchain a million times but didn't even know what these words meant!) [1] https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/getting-started/what-is-a-cypherpunk https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/getting-started/what-is-a-cypherp...
cnlp100 6y ago
It is strange, perhaps a pdf reader exploit?
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tveita 6y ago
So are you saying I shouldn't run out and short the RSA stock? :) I was curious about the submission process for ePrint, it looks like there is supposed to be some vetting, even though it is explicitly not fact checked or peer reviewed. You do get papers from cranks and blockchainers but presumably Schnorr doesn't fall into those categories. https://eprint.iacr.org/about.html https://eprint.iacr.org/about.html
- ralph84 6y ago
  RSA is owned by private equity so there's nothing to short. In any case, the patent on RSA is long-expired and OpenSSL drove the price of crypto libraries to $0, so any revenue RSA the company gets from RSA the cryptosystem is negligible.

detaro 6y ago

EDIT: that draft appears in clearer sources with the same spelling, disregard below... He also apparently misspelled(?) his own name. It's "Claus-Peter" (also on other publications), not "Claus Peter". agreed, seems odd.

gpm 6y ago
Claus Peter is the name on the actual (2019 draft) paper too? https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/232.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/232.pdf
monocasa 6y ago
I wouldn't necessarily consider that a misspelling.
Centigonal 6y ago
he spells it like that on his published research, though. See here: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-42001-6_6 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-42001-6_...
- detaro 6y ago
  yep, found that too. disregard that then, just seemed odd on first glance.
  - Centigonal 6y ago
    Agree!

yesenadam 6y ago

> The paper has the same title as a 2017 draft paper Not quite the same title. He has papers with similar titles since at least 2010. I wanted to say thanks - this document linked to on his wikipedia page was unexpectedly fascinating! NSA, patents, conspiracies.. https://marc.info/?l=cypherpunks&m=95280154624588&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=cypherpunks&m=95280154624588&w=2

dleslie 6y ago
Be careful, cypherpunks is a fascinating rabit hole; you can easily fall in and forever alter your perspective.
- gnatman 6y ago
  There’s a ton of material on that site- any other lists you can recommended exploring?
  - dleslie 6y ago
    You could do worse than reading the book, which is an interview with some key players: https://www.orbooks.com/catalog/cypherpunks/ https://www.orbooks.com/catalog/cypherpunks/ Or this: https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/getting-started/what-is-the-cypherpunks-mailing-list https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/getting-started/what-is-the-cyphe...
    - yesenadam 6y ago
      Thanks, looks great. It's by Julian Assange and a few others. First words of the book: "What is a Cypherpunk? Cypherpunks advocate for the use of cryptography and similar methods as ways to achieve societal and political change. Founded in the early 1990s, the movement has been most active during the 1990s “cryptowars” and following the 2011 internet spring. The term cypherpunk, derived from (cryptographic) cipher and punk, was added to the Oxford English Dictionary in 2006" So I thought, hmm that sounds like the crypto-anarchy that was discussed on HN the other day. And your 2nd link has a page on that[1]. Indeed they sound like the same idea – one is the people, the other is the system they want. Cyber-equality. Defined, rather, by the system they don't want: the powerful able to read the communications of the less powerful, but not vice versa. Is there anyone (openly) arguing this would be a bad thing? (Also I'm wondering why I've heard about bitcoin/blockchain a million times but didn't even know what these words meant!) [1] https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/getting-started/what-is-a-cypherpunk https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/getting-started/what-is-a-cypherp...

cnlp100 6y ago

It is strange, perhaps a pdf reader exploit?

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tveita 6y ago

So are you saying I shouldn't run out and short the RSA stock? :) I was curious about the submission process for ePrint, it looks like there is supposed to be some vetting, even though it is explicitly not fact checked or peer reviewed. You do get papers from cranks and blockchainers but presumably Schnorr doesn't fall into those categories. https://eprint.iacr.org/about.html https://eprint.iacr.org/about.html

ralph84 6y ago
RSA is owned by private equity so there's nothing to short. In any case, the patent on RSA is long-expired and OpenSSL drove the price of crypto libraries to $0, so any revenue RSA the company gets from RSA the cryptosystem is negligible.