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The West loves to dismiss China research, but this is a brilliant paper! The discussion of the similarity between these fossils and modern actinobacteria and z

by 1996 6y ago

The West loves to dismiss China research, but this is a brilliant paper! The discussion of the similarity between these fossils and modern actinobacteria and zygomycetes is fascinating: it could be the missing link between bacteria and fungis, as predicted by DNA divergence estimations: > The diversity of Silurian–Devonian terrestrial fungi implies the existence of fungi in pre-Silurian terrestrial ecosystems, a prediction consistent with molecular clock estimates [5] but not yet conclusively confirmed by the fossil record. Ref: [5] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07849-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07849-9 Also check the 3d reconstruction in fig 4g to get a better idea of what this fungi looks like

DetroitThrow 6y ago
>The West loves to dismiss China research I know you probably care about the topic, but it seems unnecessary and unrelated to the rest of your otherwise very insightful comment
- 1996 6y ago
  > it seems unnecessary Sorry about that, it's something I often see on HN and it hurts. I could already imagine someone making such a tasteless comment about China - and I don't like to read that and I thought maybe acknowledging the tendency would avoid it. But skip that. My personal opinion do not matter. Just read the actual paper, maybe after reading reference 5. If you enjoy phylogenetic research, and how we figure species are related to each other, it's a wonderful moment: first the prediction, then the discovery.
  - DetroitThrow 6y ago
    Public forums can get political, I get it. Thanks for sharing!
  - FriendlyNormie 6y ago
    Shi Zhengli did some nice research when she created covid-19 in the Wuhan lab, didn’t she? Soon you’ll look back on her work and realize it’s what caused the start of WW3 and the imminent gruesome and violent death of almost everyone you know. Won’t be long now. Hope you enjoy the shitstorm you started, chink.
- barkingcat 6y ago
  It's true though.
andrewflnr 6y ago
Fungi are eukaryotes, so the missing link from fungi to the rest of the world has to be closer to archaea or animalia than bacteria, right? I assumed that molecular clock figure was when fungi diverged from their last common ancestor with animals.
- 1996 6y ago
  I would have though so, but this paper made me reconsider that. Fungi are eukaryotes, but very special - neither animal nor plant, while they have some properties of each (ex: can store glycogen like animals) Maybe the last common ancestor was closer to bacteria than archaea, and from that point significant properties were not gained (nuclei, mitochondria...), but lost (ex: no more glycogen for plants!) - a mind blowing thought!!

by 1996 6y ago

DetroitThrow 6y ago

>The West loves to dismiss China research I know you probably care about the topic, but it seems unnecessary and unrelated to the rest of your otherwise very insightful comment

1996 6y ago
> it seems unnecessary Sorry about that, it's something I often see on HN and it hurts. I could already imagine someone making such a tasteless comment about China - and I don't like to read that and I thought maybe acknowledging the tendency would avoid it. But skip that. My personal opinion do not matter. Just read the actual paper, maybe after reading reference 5. If you enjoy phylogenetic research, and how we figure species are related to each other, it's a wonderful moment: first the prediction, then the discovery.
- DetroitThrow 6y ago
  Public forums can get political, I get it. Thanks for sharing!
- FriendlyNormie 6y ago
  Shi Zhengli did some nice research when she created covid-19 in the Wuhan lab, didn’t she? Soon you’ll look back on her work and realize it’s what caused the start of WW3 and the imminent gruesome and violent death of almost everyone you know. Won’t be long now. Hope you enjoy the shitstorm you started, chink.
barkingcat 6y ago
It's true though.

andrewflnr 6y ago

Fungi are eukaryotes, so the missing link from fungi to the rest of the world has to be closer to archaea or animalia than bacteria, right? I assumed that molecular clock figure was when fungi diverged from their last common ancestor with animals.

1996 6y ago
I would have though so, but this paper made me reconsider that. Fungi are eukaryotes, but very special - neither animal nor plant, while they have some properties of each (ex: can store glycogen like animals) Maybe the last common ancestor was closer to bacteria than archaea, and from that point significant properties were not gained (nuclei, mitochondria...), but lost (ex: no more glycogen for plants!) - a mind blowing thought!!