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I find seitan and tofu completely unpalatable, and I can’t rely on eating hundreds of grams of peanuts to fill my protein needs. Lentils are fine... I lift hea

I find seitan and tofu completely unpalatable, and I can’t rely on eating hundreds of grams of peanuts to fill my protein needs. Lentils are fine... I lift heavy, which I believe is integral to my good health (the evidence on the health benefits of strength training is overwhelming). You do need significant amounts of protein if you lift - this is backed by both research and empirical evidence. Designing 3000-4000kcal diets high in protein without meat is entirely possible, but highly impractical.

ben_w 6y ago
The diet you’re describing also has a significantly higher calorie intake than most people’s exercise level can balance. If I ate that much, I would be fat not fit. (Also: I just picked four ingredients I just happen to have; there are others).
danans 6y ago
> You do need significant amounts of protein if you lift - this is backed by both research and empirical evidence. Specialized athletic hobbies like powerlifting are sort of irrelevant to discussions involving reducing GHG emissions by scaling up plant based meat substitutes. Niches like that aren't the target market.
- arcturus17 6y ago
  I am for plant-based substitutes anyway. It’s a natural vegetarian diet that I would struggle with.
  - danans 6y ago
    I have no doubt that many would struggle with it for many valid reasons. For a whole lot of people (even people who eat meat), plant based vegetarian food still forms the foundation of their diet, and it's been that way since the dawn of agriculture. For example, a dish made of legumes, grains, and vegetables flavored with a little bit of meat, while not vegetarian, is still fundamentally plant based. That describes a whole lot of traditional foods the planet over.
simias 6y ago
Most serious weightlifters in my experience supplement their diet with protein shakes or similar, many vegan formulations exist. It's not super tasty, but I wouldn't call it "highly impractical". Beyond that in my experience "lifter diet" is not exactly gourmet stuff, unless you really, really like chicken breasts.
- arcturus17 6y ago
  I drink about 2-3 day. It leaves anywhere between 2-3.5k calories of real food to fill. It is highly impractical compared to brown rice, chicken and veggies, which is one of the reasons why they will be about the last population segment to ever adopt a diet without meat.

ben_w 6y ago

The diet you’re describing also has a significantly higher calorie intake than most people’s exercise level can balance. If I ate that much, I would be fat not fit. (Also: I just picked four ingredients I just happen to have; there are others).

danans 6y ago

> You do need significant amounts of protein if you lift - this is backed by both research and empirical evidence. Specialized athletic hobbies like powerlifting are sort of irrelevant to discussions involving reducing GHG emissions by scaling up plant based meat substitutes. Niches like that aren't the target market.

arcturus17 6y ago
I am for plant-based substitutes anyway. It’s a natural vegetarian diet that I would struggle with.
- danans 6y ago
  I have no doubt that many would struggle with it for many valid reasons. For a whole lot of people (even people who eat meat), plant based vegetarian food still forms the foundation of their diet, and it's been that way since the dawn of agriculture. For example, a dish made of legumes, grains, and vegetables flavored with a little bit of meat, while not vegetarian, is still fundamentally plant based. That describes a whole lot of traditional foods the planet over.

simias 6y ago

Most serious weightlifters in my experience supplement their diet with protein shakes or similar, many vegan formulations exist. It's not super tasty, but I wouldn't call it "highly impractical". Beyond that in my experience "lifter diet" is not exactly gourmet stuff, unless you really, really like chicken breasts.

arcturus17 6y ago
I drink about 2-3 day. It leaves anywhere between 2-3.5k calories of real food to fill. It is highly impractical compared to brown rice, chicken and veggies, which is one of the reasons why they will be about the last population segment to ever adopt a diet without meat.