It's the same thing with PHP (and Ruby). You can write reasonable code in it, the problem is that the engineering culture leaves a lot to be desired. In Java,

It's the same thing with PHP (and Ruby). You can write reasonable code in it, the problem is that the engineering culture leaves a lot to be desired. In Java, the engineering culture is strong but stagnant. Python is toxic, it's full of scientists, the engineering is bad (but a little better than PHP because the community is of a higher calibre).