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Reminds me of fltk: https://www.fltk.org https://www.fltk.org I also feel that GUI toolkits should try to have dynamic layouts, so layouts can be adjusted with

Reminds me of fltk: https://www.fltk.org https://www.fltk.org I also feel that GUI toolkits should try to have dynamic layouts, so layouts can be adjusted without the need for re-compiling and re-linking. Though I understand historically, for the desire of a single file executable. wxWidgets has XML layouts, a bit rough, though: https://docs.wxwidgets.org/3.0/overview_xrc.html https://docs.wxwidgets.org/3.0/overview_xrc.html

VZ 6y ago
I'd be interested to know what do you find rough about XRC (as wx XML layout system is known)?
MaxBarraclough 6y ago
I was reminded of the lesser-known FOX Toolkit for X11 and Windows: http://fox-toolkit.org/ http://fox-toolkit.org/ Curiously the second time I've mentioned it on HN today.
csb6 6y ago
I believe fltk was originally intended to mimic the API and widgets of xforms.
- a_e_k 6y ago
  https://www.fltk.org/articles.php?L363 https://www.fltk.org/articles.php?L363: > FLTK was originally designed to be compatible with the Forms Library written for SGI machines. In that library all the functions and structures started with "fl_". This naming was extended to all new methods and widgets in the C++ library, and this prefix was taken as the name of the library. It is almost impossible to search for "FL" on the Internet, due to the fact that it is also the abbreviation for Florida. After much debating and searching for a new name for the toolkit, which was already in use by several people, Bill came up with "FLTK", and even a bogus excuse that it stands for "The Fast Light Tool Kit".
- mhd 6y ago
  I think it still has the astounding multitude of bevels and frames that XForms has. Just like you could spot Tk apps by the bisque color, you could spot XForms by programmers putting all the frames into one single dialog window.
chunkyks 6y ago
I really liked fltk. Only annoyance was that fluid (the fltk ide-of-sorts) had esc be cancel in the code editor dialog; I use vi most of the time. With fluid, muscle memory obliterated a lot of code
jcelerier 6y ago
> I also feel that GUI toolkits should try to have dynamic layouts, so layouts can be adjusted without the need for re-compiling and re-linking. Isn't that literally every desktop UI toolkit since 1982 ?
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  Some have resizing and scaling for free (e.g. AWT, most HTML renderers) while others do not (e.g. VB, as much as I love it)

VZ 6y ago

I'd be interested to know what do you find rough about XRC (as wx XML layout system is known)?

MaxBarraclough 6y ago

I was reminded of the lesser-known FOX Toolkit for X11 and Windows: http://fox-toolkit.org/ http://fox-toolkit.org/ Curiously the second time I've mentioned it on HN today.

csb6 6y ago

I believe fltk was originally intended to mimic the API and widgets of xforms.

a_e_k 6y ago
https://www.fltk.org/articles.php?L363 https://www.fltk.org/articles.php?L363: > FLTK was originally designed to be compatible with the Forms Library written for SGI machines. In that library all the functions and structures started with "fl_". This naming was extended to all new methods and widgets in the C++ library, and this prefix was taken as the name of the library. It is almost impossible to search for "FL" on the Internet, due to the fact that it is also the abbreviation for Florida. After much debating and searching for a new name for the toolkit, which was already in use by several people, Bill came up with "FLTK", and even a bogus excuse that it stands for "The Fast Light Tool Kit".
mhd 6y ago
I think it still has the astounding multitude of bevels and frames that XForms has. Just like you could spot Tk apps by the bisque color, you could spot XForms by programmers putting all the frames into one single dialog window.

chunkyks 6y ago

I really liked fltk. Only annoyance was that fluid (the fltk ide-of-sorts) had esc be cancel in the code editor dialog; I use vi most of the time. With fluid, muscle memory obliterated a lot of code

jcelerier 6y ago

> I also feel that GUI toolkits should try to have dynamic layouts, so layouts can be adjusted without the need for re-compiling and re-linking. Isn't that literally every desktop UI toolkit since 1982 ?

forgotmypw17 6y ago
Some have resizing and scaling for free (e.g. AWT, most HTML renderers) while others do not (e.g. VB, as much as I love it)