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> The entire point of this service is that they do the management for you - if you would rather do the management yourself, you totally can. I want them to man

> The entire point of this service is that they do the management for you - if you would rather do the management yourself, you totally can. I want them to manage it and also let me upload patches. I want the setup, DNS, storage, hosting, all the sysadmin stuff... and still be able to patch the software. I want them to be able to `git pull` an update over my patches, and have it carry forward after updates. I want the agency of FOSS but still pay for the management, simply put. > It's a SaaS offering hosting for FOSS. I can't modify the software, so it's not free software. If they provided some sort of "patch app store" or patch download, it would be free software.

miloignis 6y ago
Interesting - do you know of any service that does this? I'm curious as to how exactly you want it to work. Rereading your comment, I agree DNS and backups make sense, but upgrading the application itself still seems somewhat fraught. If your patch doesn't apply on an update, what should happen? Don't upgrade and send you an email? Do they upgrade the rest of the system it runs on? Do you want to be able to run other programs on the server as well, and if so, how would distro updates work? I think we disagree pretty fundamentally, but you've got me curious now about how your idea would work, and I'd like to hear more.
- crazypython 6y ago
  > If your patch doesn't apply on an update, what should happen? Don't upgrade and send you an email? Get a new version of the patch for that new version from the patch author, which is included in patch metadata.
Arathorn 6y ago
As amusing as it'd be to let people patch their synapses with buggy/vulnerable code and wreak havoc in our datacenter, we're not going to. If you want to run a custom server, run it yourself.
- crazypython 6y ago
  > As amusing as it'd be to let people patch their synapses with buggy/vulnerable code and wreak havoc in our datacenter, we're not going to. Each Matrix instance is isolated and "dedicated", so one can only wreak havoc on their own instance. Just provide backups and revert when people mess up.

miloignis 6y ago

Interesting - do you know of any service that does this? I'm curious as to how exactly you want it to work. Rereading your comment, I agree DNS and backups make sense, but upgrading the application itself still seems somewhat fraught. If your patch doesn't apply on an update, what should happen? Don't upgrade and send you an email? Do they upgrade the rest of the system it runs on? Do you want to be able to run other programs on the server as well, and if so, how would distro updates work? I think we disagree pretty fundamentally, but you've got me curious now about how your idea would work, and I'd like to hear more.

crazypython 6y ago
> If your patch doesn't apply on an update, what should happen? Don't upgrade and send you an email? Get a new version of the patch for that new version from the patch author, which is included in patch metadata.

Arathorn 6y ago

As amusing as it'd be to let people patch their synapses with buggy/vulnerable code and wreak havoc in our datacenter, we're not going to. If you want to run a custom server, run it yourself.

crazypython 6y ago
> As amusing as it'd be to let people patch their synapses with buggy/vulnerable code and wreak havoc in our datacenter, we're not going to. Each Matrix instance is isolated and "dedicated", so one can only wreak havoc on their own instance. Just provide backups and revert when people mess up.