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aka get a flip phone.

fsflover 6y ago
Flip phones are not comparable in the features. They have no apps, Internet or sensors. Also, they don't have kill switches.
- HDMI_Cable 6y ago
  Well you could always take the battery out of a flip phone.
  - fsflover 6y ago
    But can you be sure there is no second battery?
    - jtvjan 6y ago
      At that point, you can argue that you can't be sure whether the kill switches would actually turn off the radios.
      - fsflover 6y ago
        The schematics of the GNU/Linux phone is available.
        mendelmaleh 6y ago
        That's like trusting a service because they released some source code.
        fsflover 6y ago
        It's not trusting, it's verifying. Just like with a source code.
        mendelmaleh 6y ago
        My point is that you can't verify it, because you don't control manufacturing. Just like you can't verify that the server is running the open source code.
        fsflover 6y ago
        Maybe I can't verify those things, but a lot of people can and if anyone finds anything suspicious, they will make a lot of noise and everyone will know. This is how community verification works. It adds additional verification procedure, thus making everything in general more secure. If you really need to be sure, you can also hire a professional and they will verify that for you, too. Try to do that with iPhone software and hardware.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  They have no apps Every flip phone since 1997 has had apps. Internet Sure they do. I used to develop web sites for flip phones. or sensors Well, isn't that the point of a flip phone these days? That you don't want to be constantly sensed, tracked, and tabulated? Sounds like a feature, not a bug. Also, they don't have kill switches There's no better kill switch than the ability to pop out the battery.
  - fsflover 6y ago
    Doesn't sound like a flip phone to me. What's their point then?
Iolaum 6y ago
I m not willing to spend time to search for a source but I remember reading that some newly produced flip phones have appropriately modified versions of play services.
- gruez 6y ago
  "flip phones" probably isn't the right word here. The form factor is irrelevant. What matters is that it's a dumb phone. Even if it does have play services installed, the impact is minimal because it can never phone home to google, assuming you don't connect to the internet (it's a dumb phone, why would you?).

Flip phones are not comparable in the features. They have no apps, Internet or sensors. Also, they don't have kill switches.

HDMI_Cable 6y ago
Well you could always take the battery out of a flip phone.
- fsflover 6y ago
  But can you be sure there is no second battery?
  - jtvjan 6y ago
    At that point, you can argue that you can't be sure whether the kill switches would actually turn off the radios.
    - fsflover 6y ago
      The schematics of the GNU/Linux phone is available.
      - mendelmaleh 6y ago
        That's like trusting a service because they released some source code.
        fsflover 6y ago
        It's not trusting, it's verifying. Just like with a source code.
        mendelmaleh 6y ago
        My point is that you can't verify it, because you don't control manufacturing. Just like you can't verify that the server is running the open source code.
        fsflover 6y ago
        Maybe I can't verify those things, but a lot of people can and if anyone finds anything suspicious, they will make a lot of noise and everyone will know. This is how community verification works. It adds additional verification procedure, thus making everything in general more secure. If you really need to be sure, you can also hire a professional and they will verify that for you, too. Try to do that with iPhone software and hardware.
reaperducer 6y ago
They have no apps Every flip phone since 1997 has had apps. Internet Sure they do. I used to develop web sites for flip phones. or sensors Well, isn't that the point of a flip phone these days? That you don't want to be constantly sensed, tracked, and tabulated? Sounds like a feature, not a bug. Also, they don't have kill switches There's no better kill switch than the ability to pop out the battery.
- fsflover 6y ago
  Doesn't sound like a flip phone to me. What's their point then?

Iolaum 6y ago

I m not willing to spend time to search for a source but I remember reading that some newly produced flip phones have appropriately modified versions of play services.

gruez 6y ago
"flip phones" probably isn't the right word here. The form factor is irrelevant. What matters is that it's a dumb phone. Even if it does have play services installed, the impact is minimal because it can never phone home to google, assuming you don't connect to the internet (it's a dumb phone, why would you?).