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Um, no one would ever label Republicans "anti-authoritarian". When your ideology extends from rules concerning which water fountain you can drink from, it's ha

Um, no one would ever label Republicans "anti-authoritarian". When your ideology extends from rules concerning which water fountain you can drink from, it's hard to shake the authoritarian label.

orblivion 6y ago
"No one" - Lots of people have a lack of awareness of what the other side thinks. "They're fighters. When are we going to get a real fighter on our side to finally stand up to them?" "Look, I understand being principled, but get real. They don't give a damn about principles and will break every rule to get their way. It's time to fight dirty like they do." "Our side isn't perfect but they're authoritarians." BOTH sides say all of these things. And they seem to think it's a joke when the other side claims to see it the same way.
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
  So we are supposed to listen to how they view themselves and not take into account the stances that they've actually supported and fought for?
tastygreenapple 6y ago
The democrats were the segregation party. Go read a history book.
mensetmanusman 6y ago
Depends on the definitions. How would you describe a militia that distrust the authority of the government? Is that antiauthoritarian?
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  No, it's just a preference for a different authority than the status quo government. Bolsheviks in Czarist Russia weren't anti-authoritarians, they were just preferred a different authority than was established.
  - mensetmanusman 6y ago
    Isn’t this the case of any system then? If you prefer your own authority, does that make you an authoritarian?
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > Isn’t this the case of any system then? No, libertarianism/minarchism/anarchism are real belief systems. > If you prefer your own authority, does that make you an authoritarian? If you prefer your authority be imposed on others, yes; dictators are very much authoritarians.
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
  No. Because in the US we've had such militias/paramilitaries historically, and they largely sought to defend and restore the authoritarian hierarchies of society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_League https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_League https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirts_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirts_(United_States)
dfgjklj4 6y ago
>...no one would ever label Republicans "anti-authoritarian"... A strange charge of the "limited-government" party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_the_Republican_Party#Separation_of_powers_and_balance_of_powers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_the_Rep... >...your ideology extends from rules concerning which water fountain you can drink from... The ex-Confederate, Democrat, southern states had segregated water fountains. On the other hand, here's Wikipedia's explanation of where Republican ideology originated: >The GOP was founded in 1854 by opponents of the Kansas–Nebraska Act,[11] which allowed for the potential expansion of chattel slavery into the western territories. The party supported economic reform and classical liberalism while opposing the expansion of slavery.[12][13] Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president. Under the leadership of Lincoln and a Republican Congress, slavery was banned in the United States in 1865. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_State...
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
  The origins of the GOP as an entity have nothing to do with the ideology they espouse today. It was in the wake of the Civil Rights Act that the GOP decided to appeal to white Americans disaffected by the act and make them the centerpiece of their party.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > The ex-Confederate, Democrat, southern states had segregated water fountains Yup, they did. Which is why they, in large part, bolted from the Democrats twice over the Democrats supporting progress on civil rights, once temporarily (as the Dixiecrats) because of the nature of US electoral politics converging on a two-party system and them not being strong enough alone to displace a major party, and then permanently when the GOP decided to leverage their post-1968 disillusionment and appeal directly to their racist urges, resulting in a partisan realignment over the subsequent several decades. There's a reason symbols of the Confederacy are seen at Republican rallies these days and not generally Democratic ones.

Um, no one would ever label Republicans "anti-authoritarian". When your ideology extends from rules concerning which water fountain you can drink from, it's hard to shake the authoritarian label.

orblivion 6y ago

"No one" - Lots of people have a lack of awareness of what the other side thinks. "They're fighters. When are we going to get a real fighter on our side to finally stand up to them?" "Look, I understand being principled, but get real. They don't give a damn about principles and will break every rule to get their way. It's time to fight dirty like they do." "Our side isn't perfect but they're authoritarians." BOTH sides say all of these things. And they seem to think it's a joke when the other side claims to see it the same way.

x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
So we are supposed to listen to how they view themselves and not take into account the stances that they've actually supported and fought for?

tastygreenapple 6y ago

The democrats were the segregation party. Go read a history book.

mensetmanusman 6y ago

Depends on the definitions. How would you describe a militia that distrust the authority of the government? Is that antiauthoritarian?

dragonwriter 6y ago
No, it's just a preference for a different authority than the status quo government. Bolsheviks in Czarist Russia weren't anti-authoritarians, they were just preferred a different authority than was established.
- mensetmanusman 6y ago
  Isn’t this the case of any system then? If you prefer your own authority, does that make you an authoritarian?
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > Isn’t this the case of any system then? No, libertarianism/minarchism/anarchism are real belief systems. > If you prefer your own authority, does that make you an authoritarian? If you prefer your authority be imposed on others, yes; dictators are very much authoritarians.
x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
No. Because in the US we've had such militias/paramilitaries historically, and they largely sought to defend and restore the authoritarian hierarchies of society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_League https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_League https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirts_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirts_(United_States)

dfgjklj4 6y ago

>...no one would ever label Republicans "anti-authoritarian"... A strange charge of the "limited-government" party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_the_Republican_Party#Separation_of_powers_and_balance_of_powers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_the_Rep... >...your ideology extends from rules concerning which water fountain you can drink from... The ex-Confederate, Democrat, southern states had segregated water fountains. On the other hand, here's Wikipedia's explanation of where Republican ideology originated: >The GOP was founded in 1854 by opponents of the Kansas–Nebraska Act,[11] which allowed for the potential expansion of chattel slavery into the western territories. The party supported economic reform and classical liberalism while opposing the expansion of slavery.[12][13] Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president. Under the leadership of Lincoln and a Republican Congress, slavery was banned in the United States in 1865. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_State...

x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
The origins of the GOP as an entity have nothing to do with the ideology they espouse today. It was in the wake of the Civil Rights Act that the GOP decided to appeal to white Americans disaffected by the act and make them the centerpiece of their party.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> The ex-Confederate, Democrat, southern states had segregated water fountains Yup, they did. Which is why they, in large part, bolted from the Democrats twice over the Democrats supporting progress on civil rights, once temporarily (as the Dixiecrats) because of the nature of US electoral politics converging on a two-party system and them not being strong enough alone to displace a major party, and then permanently when the GOP decided to leverage their post-1968 disillusionment and appeal directly to their racist urges, resulting in a partisan realignment over the subsequent several decades. There's a reason symbols of the Confederacy are seen at Republican rallies these days and not generally Democratic ones.