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These ideas are the QAnon of the left. The GOP is without question stuck in a cult of personality, but that was not a Nazi symbol.

Schiendelman 6y ago
It's not clear that's the case. CPAC hasn't been willing to deny it. And the Charlottesville protestors did use that symbol: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-other-symbols-used-far-right-groups-charlottesville https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-oth...
- folknor 6y ago
  How is it relevant to CPAC that it was used in Charlottesville?
  - Schiendelman 6y ago
    Because all the Charlottesville people vote for that party. Because people on that stage, even, openly agree with the things the Charlottesville people marched about.
- monoideism 6y ago
  > CPAC hasn't been willing to deny it. That's not true: they denied it almost immediately. Like QAnon, it's a hard question on whether to even acknowledge these kinds of conspiracies[0], since denying them can even help to spread them. The Trump wing is without question populist, nativist, often conspiratorial, and caught in a cult of personality. But they're not Nazis, and by trying to conflate these things, you do a disservice to the victims of actual Nazism (note the publication I linked to, from a country of founded by Nazi survivors that has quite a few supporters of Trump). Charlottesville Nazis likely did use it, but they're far from being Trump supporters. They deeply distrust him because of Jared and Ivanka. And they're a tiny, tiny percentage of our population - all extreme right-wing groups combined (neoconfederates, Nazis, militia, etc) are well under 1%. You'll see SPLC trumpet things like "30% rise!" without mentioning how tiny these groups are (and they have a good idea about how small they are, it's just harder to fundraise when you discuss these things). 0. https://www.timesofisrael.com/cpac-denies-stage-was-intentionally-shaped-like-nazi-symbol/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/cpac-denies-stage-was-intentio...

Schiendelman 6y ago

It's not clear that's the case. CPAC hasn't been willing to deny it. And the Charlottesville protestors did use that symbol: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-other-symbols-used-far-right-groups-charlottesville https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-oth...

folknor 6y ago
How is it relevant to CPAC that it was used in Charlottesville?
- Schiendelman 6y ago
  Because all the Charlottesville people vote for that party. Because people on that stage, even, openly agree with the things the Charlottesville people marched about.
monoideism 6y ago
> CPAC hasn't been willing to deny it. That's not true: they denied it almost immediately. Like QAnon, it's a hard question on whether to even acknowledge these kinds of conspiracies[0], since denying them can even help to spread them. The Trump wing is without question populist, nativist, often conspiratorial, and caught in a cult of personality. But they're not Nazis, and by trying to conflate these things, you do a disservice to the victims of actual Nazism (note the publication I linked to, from a country of founded by Nazi survivors that has quite a few supporters of Trump). Charlottesville Nazis likely did use it, but they're far from being Trump supporters. They deeply distrust him because of Jared and Ivanka. And they're a tiny, tiny percentage of our population - all extreme right-wing groups combined (neoconfederates, Nazis, militia, etc) are well under 1%. You'll see SPLC trumpet things like "30% rise!" without mentioning how tiny these groups are (and they have a good idea about how small they are, it's just harder to fundraise when you discuss these things). 0. https://www.timesofisrael.com/cpac-denies-stage-was-intentionally-shaped-like-nazi-symbol/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/cpac-denies-stage-was-intentio...