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I’d rather just reduce the number of for profit journals. Getting paid $450 seems to be against open access as open journals can’t afford this. Also the motiva

I’d rather just reduce the number of for profit journals. Getting paid $450 seems to be against open access as open journals can’t afford this. Also the motivations are different when pay is involved. I will donate time to peer review, but $450 is not enough to pay me. So I would be more likely to review as a volunteer than an employee.

RBerenguel 6y ago
I want to contend that to most non-tenured professors (outside of the States at least?) 450$, even if not enough as pay either would be a nice extra from time to time.
- michaelmior 6y ago
  As a non-tenured professor within the US, I don't really mind reviewing for free. But $450 per review would indeed be a nice extra :)
- prepend 6y ago
  I like money and $450 is a nice amount (hey, free PlayStation). But my employer doesn’t allow outside payments so I couldn’t accept. And while I like money, I fee a duty to review a few papers a year, even if they are not good, or boring, or whatever. If I was being paid, I would be more likely to skip those papers because I no longer feel a duty. This may be a similar motivation described in an experiment that showed how late pickups went up when the daycare introduced late fees. [0] I think that many in academia are underpaid and should have more money. I just think that adding review fees are not the way. [0] https://freakonomics.com/2013/10/23/what-makes-people-do-what-they-do/ https://freakonomics.com/2013/10/23/what-makes-people-do-wha...
  - RBerenguel 6y ago
    In my (well, former) field you can only review papers if you are affiliated with a research organisation, so peer reviewers are necessarily in academia.
ta988 6y ago
I agree we don't need the publishers anymore. We have preprint services (arxiv and others), open review systems (pubpeer), sharing platforms (osf, zenodo, dataverse). You have Free software to handle all the manuscript lifecycle (there are a few cant remember the names). We keep the publishers because they still have some prestige and they are blackmailing university libraries. Now there is Scihub to go atound that, but of course there are ethical and legal reasons associated with its use so in my opinion thats not a long term alternative.

RBerenguel 6y ago

I want to contend that to most non-tenured professors (outside of the States at least?) 450$, even if not enough as pay either would be a nice extra from time to time.

michaelmior 6y ago
As a non-tenured professor within the US, I don't really mind reviewing for free. But $450 per review would indeed be a nice extra :)
prepend 6y ago
I like money and $450 is a nice amount (hey, free PlayStation). But my employer doesn’t allow outside payments so I couldn’t accept. And while I like money, I fee a duty to review a few papers a year, even if they are not good, or boring, or whatever. If I was being paid, I would be more likely to skip those papers because I no longer feel a duty. This may be a similar motivation described in an experiment that showed how late pickups went up when the daycare introduced late fees. [0] I think that many in academia are underpaid and should have more money. I just think that adding review fees are not the way. [0] https://freakonomics.com/2013/10/23/what-makes-people-do-what-they-do/ https://freakonomics.com/2013/10/23/what-makes-people-do-wha...
- RBerenguel 6y ago
  In my (well, former) field you can only review papers if you are affiliated with a research organisation, so peer reviewers are necessarily in academia.

ta988 6y ago

I agree we don't need the publishers anymore. We have preprint services (arxiv and others), open review systems (pubpeer), sharing platforms (osf, zenodo, dataverse). You have Free software to handle all the manuscript lifecycle (there are a few cant remember the names). We keep the publishers because they still have some prestige and they are blackmailing university libraries. Now there is Scihub to go atound that, but of course there are ethical and legal reasons associated with its use so in my opinion thats not a long term alternative.