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Anyone who is genuinely left wing will easily recognize that neither party in the US represents their interests.
by thamidolide 6y ago
Anyone who is genuinely left wing will easily recognize that neither party in the US represents their interests.
- Delmania 6y agoCorrect, the Democrats are a weak willed party of centrists more concerned with maintaining the status quo as opposed to implementing progressive legislation that will help people. The GOP has become a cult of personality.
- jejones3141 6y agoThe Democrats had their cult of personality in the Obama years.
- rbanffy 6y agoAt least he was a better role model.
- vinger 6y agoAny response that begins with at least... should remain in kindergarden. No one is a role model.
- rbanffy 6y agoWhile I agree he's far from perfect (at the very least he sanctioned a couple extrajudicial executions and a coup in my home country) he seems to be a loving husband and father, can complete sentences and expose coherent reasoning. He clearly shows signs of a very superior intelligence, never declared bankruptcy (and never bankrupted a casino!) or defrauded investors, nor cheated on every single wife he had (he's still on his first one and she is a keeper).
- juanani 6y agoBoy I wish my kindergarden had computers..
- vinger 6y agoAll of those things apply to most of the population. Maybe a firefighters or a teacher or a policeman should be looked at as a hero before a politician.
- rbanffy 6y agoMaybe. OTOH, a politician can be a huge influence for good. Kennedy's "We chose the Moon" speech influenced generations of engineers and scientists all over the world. JFK was not a good role model and, yet, he managed to bring out the best in a whole lot of people. Humans are flawed - we can't escape that. Every human has a dark side but, it seems, some humans have a very large one.
- sanp 6y agoS0, what does it say about Republicans when they voted for someone who is worse than most of the population
- rbanffy 6y agoThat someone is worse than most Republicans too.
- nix23 6y agoThe whole thing with closing Guantanamo? Spying on american citizens truth the NSA, or massively increasing drone attacks? Or do you mean the sympathetic and nice personality he showed in public?
- mensetmanusman 6y agoExcept in drone strikes of American citizens.
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y agoNot even close. No one was talking about Obama splitting the party and seeking revenge against ideological bedfellows after serving only one term.
- AzzieElbab 6y agono one but the press is talking about it now either
- yoav 6y agoActually prominent republicans who have left the party over Trump are talking about it https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2AB07P https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2AB07P
- AzzieElbab 6y agoPretty sure this not what author meant
- jejones3141 6y agoFrom Merriam-Webster: "a situation in which a public figure (such as a political leader) is deliberately presented to the people of a country as a great person who should be admired and loved". Wikipedia mentions the use of mass media, propaganda, spectacle, etc. "to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise". I see nothing there about splitting the party and revenge. Remember these? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJFC1qFCgyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJFC1qFCgyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTm5rp8r6fE&feature=emb_logo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTm5rp8r6fE&feature=emb_logo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOtGr1JFCnE&feature=emb_imp_woyt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOtGr1JFCnE&feature=emb_imp_...
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y agoNone of those videos are par for the course concerning how the Left views Obama.
- totalZero 6y agoNeither party right now is a centrist party. They both realized that the median voter was disengaged, so they began to appeal to extremes as a way to motivate constituents to donate and vote.
- lm28469 6y ago> genuinely left wing What does that even mean ? Any one with half a brain will find good ideas from the far left to the far right. This "left vs right" is the dumbest thing we ever came up with. Vote and fight for ideas, not sport teams... keep the fanatism for football
- thamidolide 6y agoIdeas are indeed what I'm talking about, not blindly following a party like it's a sports team.
- loopz 6y agoIt seems people have difficulty falling in love with ideas, but they do fall in love with sports and personality cults! To any thinking person the left-vs-right paradigm is beyond stupid, but yet, it keeps persisting, even worldwide. Actually, the parties are themselves to blame, as wrong-thinkers gets weeded out or re-educated.
- hanche 6y agoOn the contrary, I find the left/right spectrum a useful, if rather rough, guide to the landscape og political opinions. But of course, the devil is in the details, and you ignore them at your peril. I consider myself sort of left leaning, but I still think there are a whole lot of misguided ideas on the left, some of them flat out dangerous.
- toolz 6y agoUseful to what end? So that people can easily label an idea such that tribal followers can quickly decide if they are on board? I can't think of great applications, only negative outcomes from such a simplified labeling of people and ideas.
- Karunamon 6y agoLabels facilitate reasoning. Whether that reasoning turns out to be any good is a different question, but good luck speaking about broadly-held political beliefs without using some kind of term to represent it.
- soundnote 6y agoI don't know if "genuinely left wing" is a useful phrasing. Leftism and rightism are little more than broad, inchoate moral intuitions that are ultimately given concrete form and specific content by ideologies, philosophy and realpolitik. For example, economic class-driven socialism and wokeness will conflict with each other but both are driven by a thought pattern that's descended from Marxism. Gendercrit feminists and the woke, same thing, but both more or less want to strangle each other. On the right, you get can have Nietzsche-influenced hyperindividualist überman strivers and a kind of communitarian neo-trad thinking. Both clearly rightist, both in tension with each other. The GOP and the aforementioned localist Christian tradheads are definitely against each other, but not leftists. List goes on. I'd consider the woke ideology genuinely leftist, it's just not very genuinely pro the little guy, pro the working man. Many traditional Marxists are certainly tearing their hair out from what I've read some.
- phone8675309 6y agoCan you help me identify the true Scotsmen as well?