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I never got that logic—the US has been in armed conflict in various forms since the end of WWII, whether directly or through the CIA. It seems more like nukes e

I never got that logic—the US has been in armed conflict in various forms since the end of WWII, whether directly or through the CIA. It seems more like nukes enable violence from my perspective.

throwaway6734 6y ago
The world was a much more violent place before pax americana.
- sangnoir 6y ago
  > The world was a much more violent place before pax americana. Europe, for sure is a lot less violent, as for the rest of the world? I won't believe that on face value; south America specifically got more violent, and I suspect everywhere else is a wash (or is not attributable to American force projection). I attribute the peace in Europe to the EU rather than pax Americana.
  - throwaway6734 6y ago
    The EU was founded in 1993.
    - sangnoir 6y ago
      A company named "Apple, Inc." didn't exist prior to 2007 either - that's just splitting hairs, IMO, a rose by any other name &tc, &tc. I assumed anyone who has passing familiarity with Europe's history and WWII knew exactly what I meant by "EU" - you may read it as "the European project", if that dunks your crumpet.
sneak 6y ago
Being involved in conflicts where hundreds or thousands die is mostly preferable to being involved in wars where tens or hundreds of thousands die. Overall violent death is down on planet Earth drastically over time.
- engineer_22 6y ago
  Food for thought: The Wars in the Congo are a counter example. 2nd Congo War is thought to have caused 5.4 million deaths and officially ended in 2003, just 18 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War
  - xxpor 6y ago
    Arguably that's the exception that proves the rule. Note how none of the great powers were really that involved (outside of the US providing "advisors").
CapriciousCptl 6y ago
It’s like the big brother who says, “nobody can tease my sister except me.” There’s less teasing— he’s the only one doing it. But I’m with you, on balance wmds are terrible things. One use of them could outweigh all the violence they prevented.
ericb 6y ago
It seems relatively peaceful: https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace

I never got that logic—the US has been in armed conflict in various forms since the end of WWII, whether directly or through the CIA. It seems more like nukes enable violence from my perspective.

throwaway6734 6y ago

The world was a much more violent place before pax americana.

sangnoir 6y ago
> The world was a much more violent place before pax americana. Europe, for sure is a lot less violent, as for the rest of the world? I won't believe that on face value; south America specifically got more violent, and I suspect everywhere else is a wash (or is not attributable to American force projection). I attribute the peace in Europe to the EU rather than pax Americana.
- throwaway6734 6y ago
  The EU was founded in 1993.
  - sangnoir 6y ago
    A company named "Apple, Inc." didn't exist prior to 2007 either - that's just splitting hairs, IMO, a rose by any other name &tc, &tc. I assumed anyone who has passing familiarity with Europe's history and WWII knew exactly what I meant by "EU" - you may read it as "the European project", if that dunks your crumpet.

sneak 6y ago

Being involved in conflicts where hundreds or thousands die is mostly preferable to being involved in wars where tens or hundreds of thousands die. Overall violent death is down on planet Earth drastically over time.

engineer_22 6y ago
Food for thought: The Wars in the Congo are a counter example. 2nd Congo War is thought to have caused 5.4 million deaths and officially ended in 2003, just 18 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War
- xxpor 6y ago
  Arguably that's the exception that proves the rule. Note how none of the great powers were really that involved (outside of the US providing "advisors").

CapriciousCptl 6y ago

It’s like the big brother who says, “nobody can tease my sister except me.” There’s less teasing— he’s the only one doing it. But I’m with you, on balance wmds are terrible things. One use of them could outweigh all the violence they prevented.

ericb 6y ago

It seems relatively peaceful: https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace