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> "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". That's not right at all. They both ban adult

> "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". That's not right at all. They both ban adult content and Gab will ban blasphemy. They also frequently remove drug content. They're stricter on banning speech than Twitter and the sites they fled from.

cies 6y ago
> you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US [or frowned upon by what we* believe God would frown upon] without fear of being banned or other moderation it's not censorship when you like it! *) we = right leaning americans
- tor11 6y ago
  this is almost correct. probably correct that they censor based on conservative opinions. not correct that right leaning americans are conservative. all conservatives are right leaning tho. not the other way around.
  - cies 6y ago
    I'm not even sure what right leaning or conservative means these days. The "right" was merely copied from an ancestor post.
    - tor12 6y ago
      its all the same as before. - authoritarian-left/ communism/ socialism - authoritarian-right/ nationalism/ conservatism - libertarian-left/ anarchism/ anti-property - libertarian-right/ libertarianism/ property center sometimes overlap. such as national socialism, or as frequently referred to as nazism, is a centrist catch-all idea. usually populist, since someone have to be elected after all. everyone calling for regulation is authoritarian. such as mainstream progressivism. crypto is libertarian. both left and right. although differences in direction. hence simply "far right" does not actually say much. could be both nationalist puking racism and anti-authoritarian discussing how to avoid tax.
    - Delmania 6y ago
      Conservative means what it has always meant. The political belief that the law should bind outsiders but not protect them and that it should protect insiders but not bind them.
      - folknor 6y ago
        That's not what conservative means in my country, and frankly without a prefix it's indecipherable. If someone at the pub here says "I'm a conservative", you can actually infer nothing from that statement. In most cases, you'd probably be correct in thinking that the person would be more inclined to preserve the status quo than changing it too quickly, for fear of unforeseen consequences. Also, a simple Google search and 30-second skim of Wikipedia throws a wrench in your assertion.
        vkou 6y ago
        > In most cases, you'd probably be correct in thinking that the person would be more inclined to preserve the status quo than changing it too quickly, for fear of unforeseen consequences. This does not encompass reactionary conservatives that have become incredibly prominent as a political group in the United States, to the point of completely taking over one of the two political parties.
fulafel 6y ago
Also there are laws against said content: https://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/state-dept-official-5-states-us-still-have-blasphemy-laws-books https://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/state-dept-offi... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_obscenity_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_obscenity_law
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- Mindwipe 6y ago
  Gab's censorship of adult content is considerably stricter than obscenity law. They're not a free speech network, they're just a network where racism is permitted speech and anything they don't like is banned.
  - dublin 6y ago
    The main reason they banned "adult content" was simply that porn posters will fill any available online free forum. Reasonably enough, as a forum aimed at free speech, Gab wasn't eager to pay the hideous storage and networking costs of becoming another site like Tumblr, where that content had simply taken over...
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > Reasonably enough, as a forum aimed at free speech, Gab wasn't eager to pay the hideous storage and networking costs ...of allowing certain speech. Because that's, obviously, what “free speech” means.
    - fulafel 6y ago
      Not if handled in the current social media "standard" way: Twitter, Reddit (and ex-Tumblr) keep nsfw content from sight of non-nsfw interested users by special handling - semi-hiding the category, won't show up on searches etc but can be linked to if you have nfsw opt-in.
thu2111 6y ago
Can you give a citation for Gab banning blasphemy? After a few quick searches I was unable to find any reference to that anywhere else.
- dublin 6y ago
  I have not seen Gab ban blasphemy. Andrew Torba has been pretty clear that any speech that is legal under the US Constitution (with a few exceptions for directly/personally violent threats, doxxing, etc.) is permitted on Gab. A small number of people who have abused the rules have been banned, but in every one of those cases that I'm aware of, it was for generally antisocial and abusive behavior, not the content of their speech.
notsureaboutpg 6y ago
Banning adult and drug content is understandable though. Most social media sites do that because it's a liability. Blasphemy is different but I haven't seen corroborating evidence of that. Even if they did ban blasphemy, it would still be less strict on banning speech than Twitter where entire heads of state have been banned for saying words people don't like (or for being from Iran)

cies 6y ago

> you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US [or frowned upon by what we* believe God would frown upon] without fear of being banned or other moderation it's not censorship when you like it! *) we = right leaning americans

tor11 6y ago
this is almost correct. probably correct that they censor based on conservative opinions. not correct that right leaning americans are conservative. all conservatives are right leaning tho. not the other way around.
- cies 6y ago
  I'm not even sure what right leaning or conservative means these days. The "right" was merely copied from an ancestor post.
  - tor12 6y ago
    its all the same as before. - authoritarian-left/ communism/ socialism - authoritarian-right/ nationalism/ conservatism - libertarian-left/ anarchism/ anti-property - libertarian-right/ libertarianism/ property center sometimes overlap. such as national socialism, or as frequently referred to as nazism, is a centrist catch-all idea. usually populist, since someone have to be elected after all. everyone calling for regulation is authoritarian. such as mainstream progressivism. crypto is libertarian. both left and right. although differences in direction. hence simply "far right" does not actually say much. could be both nationalist puking racism and anti-authoritarian discussing how to avoid tax.
  - Delmania 6y ago
    Conservative means what it has always meant. The political belief that the law should bind outsiders but not protect them and that it should protect insiders but not bind them.
    - folknor 6y ago
      That's not what conservative means in my country, and frankly without a prefix it's indecipherable. If someone at the pub here says "I'm a conservative", you can actually infer nothing from that statement. In most cases, you'd probably be correct in thinking that the person would be more inclined to preserve the status quo than changing it too quickly, for fear of unforeseen consequences. Also, a simple Google search and 30-second skim of Wikipedia throws a wrench in your assertion.
      - vkou 6y ago
        > In most cases, you'd probably be correct in thinking that the person would be more inclined to preserve the status quo than changing it too quickly, for fear of unforeseen consequences. This does not encompass reactionary conservatives that have become incredibly prominent as a political group in the United States, to the point of completely taking over one of the two political parties.

fulafel 6y ago

Also there are laws against said content: https://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/state-dept-official-5-states-us-still-have-blasphemy-laws-books https://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/state-dept-offi... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_obscenity_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_obscenity_law

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Mindwipe 6y ago
Gab's censorship of adult content is considerably stricter than obscenity law. They're not a free speech network, they're just a network where racism is permitted speech and anything they don't like is banned.
- dublin 6y ago
  The main reason they banned "adult content" was simply that porn posters will fill any available online free forum. Reasonably enough, as a forum aimed at free speech, Gab wasn't eager to pay the hideous storage and networking costs of becoming another site like Tumblr, where that content had simply taken over...
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > Reasonably enough, as a forum aimed at free speech, Gab wasn't eager to pay the hideous storage and networking costs ...of allowing certain speech. Because that's, obviously, what “free speech” means.
  - fulafel 6y ago
    Not if handled in the current social media "standard" way: Twitter, Reddit (and ex-Tumblr) keep nsfw content from sight of non-nsfw interested users by special handling - semi-hiding the category, won't show up on searches etc but can be linked to if you have nfsw opt-in.

thu2111 6y ago

Can you give a citation for Gab banning blasphemy? After a few quick searches I was unable to find any reference to that anywhere else.

dublin 6y ago
I have not seen Gab ban blasphemy. Andrew Torba has been pretty clear that any speech that is legal under the US Constitution (with a few exceptions for directly/personally violent threats, doxxing, etc.) is permitted on Gab. A small number of people who have abused the rules have been banned, but in every one of those cases that I'm aware of, it was for generally antisocial and abusive behavior, not the content of their speech.

notsureaboutpg 6y ago

Banning adult and drug content is understandable though. Most social media sites do that because it's a liability. Blasphemy is different but I haven't seen corroborating evidence of that. Even if they did ban blasphemy, it would still be less strict on banning speech than Twitter where entire heads of state have been banned for saying words people don't like (or for being from Iran)