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> I can't find any of the details about Nacon's unlawful actions, and it seems Frogware is being intentionally vague. They are not. They’ve written about it b

> I can't find any of the details about Nacon's unlawful actions, and it seems Frogware is being intentionally vague. They are not. They’ve written about it before: https://frogwares.com/the-sinking-city-is-being-delisted-heres-why/ https://frogwares.com/the-sinking-city-is-being-delisted-her... In short, - They have withheld payments owed Frogwares. - They have been behind on payments made by on average 40 days. - They have incorrectly claimed to own the IP to third parties, including in their IPO.

legitster 6y ago
Yes! I updated my post when I saw this. I can't imagine it will be so simple for Frogwares to rip up their contract and walk away with the money they were paid already. But I imagine their publisher openly ripping off their game will make upcoming settlements really easy for them.
- batmansmk 6y ago
  The court ordered Frogwares to deliver the sources in October with 50k euros of penalty per day not shipping them. Frogwares did not deliver anything. As an Irish company with offices in Ukraine having to settle against a french publisher paying taxes in France, low standing in court (several lawsuits) and not having executed previous court orders, it sounds harder from my point of view. I can imagine a world where they even end up having to pay for the hacking cost as well.
  - avereveard 6y ago
    was the original contract ever produced or available? > to deliver the sources this seems weird, since one party is telling the world from their blog the source transfer was never part of the agreement
  - grumple 6y ago
    Seems kinda weird. I wonder if Frogwares could sue in a US court? Both companies probably do the bulk of their business in the US and are selling through US-based stores.
    - Daho0n 6y ago
      Why? It's not any better than where they are now. If anything US court will drag it our even longer. Also Frogware already lost.
  - niea_11 6y ago
    I don't think the court ordered them to deliver the source code. I didn't read the full decision linked by @ernesth, but this part says that they have to deliver two "masters", one drm free and one for Steam. Sur la livraison des formats manquants : — ordonner à Frogwares Ireland de lui livrer les deux masters du jeu 'The Sinking city’ sur format PC DRM Free et Steam sous astreinte de 50.000 euros par jour de retard à compter du 5 ème jour suivant la notification par e-mail de la décision à intervenir I think the meaning of master in this case is Gold Master : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#RTM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#RT...
    - batmansmk 6y ago
      You are right, it's the gold DRM free master, not the sources. But Frogwares still didn't deliver those two builds.
      - rrobukef 6y ago
        Then you take the money and don't hack your way to what you're owed.
- fnordsensei 6y ago
  In my opinion (IANAL), making claims in their IPO that aren’t true might end up being the most damaging for them, if found to be true, and if someone cares to work that angle.

legitster 6y ago

Yes! I updated my post when I saw this. I can't imagine it will be so simple for Frogwares to rip up their contract and walk away with the money they were paid already. But I imagine their publisher openly ripping off their game will make upcoming settlements really easy for them.

batmansmk 6y ago
The court ordered Frogwares to deliver the sources in October with 50k euros of penalty per day not shipping them. Frogwares did not deliver anything. As an Irish company with offices in Ukraine having to settle against a french publisher paying taxes in France, low standing in court (several lawsuits) and not having executed previous court orders, it sounds harder from my point of view. I can imagine a world where they even end up having to pay for the hacking cost as well.
- avereveard 6y ago
  was the original contract ever produced or available? > to deliver the sources this seems weird, since one party is telling the world from their blog the source transfer was never part of the agreement
- grumple 6y ago
  Seems kinda weird. I wonder if Frogwares could sue in a US court? Both companies probably do the bulk of their business in the US and are selling through US-based stores.
  - Daho0n 6y ago
    Why? It's not any better than where they are now. If anything US court will drag it our even longer. Also Frogware already lost.
- niea_11 6y ago
  I don't think the court ordered them to deliver the source code. I didn't read the full decision linked by @ernesth, but this part says that they have to deliver two "masters", one drm free and one for Steam. Sur la livraison des formats manquants : — ordonner à Frogwares Ireland de lui livrer les deux masters du jeu 'The Sinking city’ sur format PC DRM Free et Steam sous astreinte de 50.000 euros par jour de retard à compter du 5 ème jour suivant la notification par e-mail de la décision à intervenir I think the meaning of master in this case is Gold Master : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#RTM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#RT...
  - batmansmk 6y ago
    You are right, it's the gold DRM free master, not the sources. But Frogwares still didn't deliver those two builds.
    - rrobukef 6y ago
      Then you take the money and don't hack your way to what you're owed.
fnordsensei 6y ago
In my opinion (IANAL), making claims in their IPO that aren’t true might end up being the most damaging for them, if found to be true, and if someone cares to work that angle.