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So why don't you?

1MachineElf 6y ago
As you probably saw in the blog post, the ability to do this is currently only offered via the desktop app, which I do not use. I only use the web interface, the Android app, and a non-Element matrix client. Element said in the blog post that it will add this option to the Android app, and once it does, I will use it and subscribe. Hopefully that answers your question.
- decrypt 6y ago
  Accounts on their Element Home plan can work on Android and iOS apps too. It's just that copying over data from a different homeserver to this new homeserver is possible only on the desktop app at the moment.
  - ncmncm 6y ago
    The ability to copy traffic history from one homeserver to another is a huge deal. I have not succeeded in discovering any details of this rollout. What server versions support it? Does it suffice to copy using one client, once, and then all clients see the result? Or, only after pointing those other clients at the new server? Do the other clients only see old traffic, after, until they are switched over, too? How can I have more thsn one homeserver watched? Do I need to run N independent client apps (e.g. Element and Fluffychat), with each pointed at one homeserver? It is very hard to find out any details of what is handled where in Matrix. Nobody in rooms devoted to services acknowledges questions, never mind answering any.
  - HolidayHuckle 6y ago
    As you rightly say, you can use any client for Element Home and the only restriction is that the in-app setup and migration wizard is only available in the Element web clients at the moment (this is now corrected in the blog article). That said, the Matrix->Matrix migration tools (https://ems.element.io/tools/matrix-migration https://ems.element.io/tools/matrix-migration) can be used outside of the setup flow, to help migrate your existing chats to new accounts. So people can always use those separately from host setup, if needed.
- ncmncm 6y ago
  The Element desktop app SEGFAULTs on startup when I run it on Debian (partly "unstable", like everybody). Curiously, a prior version used to work, and then recently started crashing with no apparent changes, and still crashes apparently the same way after upgrading to the latest release. It is possible that one of its 100+ library dependencies updated, and Element depends on behavior not retained. I have not dug into where it crashes, yet. Element rooms have got so slow, lately, I hardly use it anymore. Nobody will say who is responsible. The room owner? My homeserver? Others' homeservers? Matrix.org? All I ever see is the spinner, with no hint as to what or who it is waiting on, or any way evident to ever find out. On the Android app, meanwhile, rooms have taken to keeping a series of one or more very old messages always displayed at the bottom where current messages are supposed to be, taking up as much as half the screen, thus far. It also makes a noise every 30 seconds that I cannot turn off, spamming my notifications log to tell me it has polled its server again. I have found that force-killing the app makes this go away. I don't know if this makes it unable to alert me to timely messages from others on my homeserver. The constant noises make it hard to care. Fluffychat has the same noise problems, so the notification spam is probably in the client library. The sticky ancient message problem is only in Android Element.
  - ncmncm 6y ago
    Strace says Desktop Element crashes after a series of calls to recvmsg; one returns 32 bytes, then four fail with EAGAIN. Gdb says SIGSEGV at 0x000055555a03b652, which points into /usr/bin/element-desktop, v1.7.21 from packages.riot.im/debian/. So, probably not a dependency.
    - Arathorn 6y ago
      Looking on Element Web/Desktop's issue tracker: https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues?q=is%3Aissue+segfault https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues?q=is%3Aissue... there are no open issues concerning segfaults currently. If you file a bug report with the details requested in the template then we'll be able to investigate and fix it, just as we did for https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues/13553 https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues/13553 (for instance). Otherwise, expecting us to be aware of this and to fix it without a bug report is not going to happen. In terms of "slow rooms" - we'd need more details to advise. A bug report on github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues would give us something to go on. In terms of stuck messages on Element Android - this sounds like a bug which was fixed months ago. Please upgrade. In terms of getting a notification every time the app syncs - I have no idea what would cause that, nor have I heard of it. Please file a bug at https://github.com/vector-im/element-android/issues https://github.com/vector-im/element-android/issues.
- HolidayHuckle 6y ago
  Ahh... thanks for pointing that out. That was a mistake in the blog article (fixed now). In fact the migrator only works on the web apps at the moment (not desktop or mobile). That said, even if the in-app migrator isn't available to other clients, people are obviously free to set up Element Nickel or Home direct from the website.

So why don't you?

As you probably saw in the blog post, the ability to do this is currently only offered via the desktop app, which I do not use. I only use the web interface, the Android app, and a non-Element matrix client. Element said in the blog post that it will add this option to the Android app, and once it does, I will use it and subscribe. Hopefully that answers your question.

decrypt 6y ago
Accounts on their Element Home plan can work on Android and iOS apps too. It's just that copying over data from a different homeserver to this new homeserver is possible only on the desktop app at the moment.
- ncmncm 6y ago
  The ability to copy traffic history from one homeserver to another is a huge deal. I have not succeeded in discovering any details of this rollout. What server versions support it? Does it suffice to copy using one client, once, and then all clients see the result? Or, only after pointing those other clients at the new server? Do the other clients only see old traffic, after, until they are switched over, too? How can I have more thsn one homeserver watched? Do I need to run N independent client apps (e.g. Element and Fluffychat), with each pointed at one homeserver? It is very hard to find out any details of what is handled where in Matrix. Nobody in rooms devoted to services acknowledges questions, never mind answering any.
- HolidayHuckle 6y ago
  As you rightly say, you can use any client for Element Home and the only restriction is that the in-app setup and migration wizard is only available in the Element web clients at the moment (this is now corrected in the blog article). That said, the Matrix->Matrix migration tools (https://ems.element.io/tools/matrix-migration https://ems.element.io/tools/matrix-migration) can be used outside of the setup flow, to help migrate your existing chats to new accounts. So people can always use those separately from host setup, if needed.
ncmncm 6y ago
The Element desktop app SEGFAULTs on startup when I run it on Debian (partly "unstable", like everybody). Curiously, a prior version used to work, and then recently started crashing with no apparent changes, and still crashes apparently the same way after upgrading to the latest release. It is possible that one of its 100+ library dependencies updated, and Element depends on behavior not retained. I have not dug into where it crashes, yet. Element rooms have got so slow, lately, I hardly use it anymore. Nobody will say who is responsible. The room owner? My homeserver? Others' homeservers? Matrix.org? All I ever see is the spinner, with no hint as to what or who it is waiting on, or any way evident to ever find out. On the Android app, meanwhile, rooms have taken to keeping a series of one or more very old messages always displayed at the bottom where current messages are supposed to be, taking up as much as half the screen, thus far. It also makes a noise every 30 seconds that I cannot turn off, spamming my notifications log to tell me it has polled its server again. I have found that force-killing the app makes this go away. I don't know if this makes it unable to alert me to timely messages from others on my homeserver. The constant noises make it hard to care. Fluffychat has the same noise problems, so the notification spam is probably in the client library. The sticky ancient message problem is only in Android Element.
- ncmncm 6y ago
  Strace says Desktop Element crashes after a series of calls to recvmsg; one returns 32 bytes, then four fail with EAGAIN. Gdb says SIGSEGV at 0x000055555a03b652, which points into /usr/bin/element-desktop, v1.7.21 from packages.riot.im/debian/. So, probably not a dependency.
  - Arathorn 6y ago
    Looking on Element Web/Desktop's issue tracker: https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues?q=is%3Aissue+segfault https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues?q=is%3Aissue... there are no open issues concerning segfaults currently. If you file a bug report with the details requested in the template then we'll be able to investigate and fix it, just as we did for https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues/13553 https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues/13553 (for instance). Otherwise, expecting us to be aware of this and to fix it without a bug report is not going to happen. In terms of "slow rooms" - we'd need more details to advise. A bug report on github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues would give us something to go on. In terms of stuck messages on Element Android - this sounds like a bug which was fixed months ago. Please upgrade. In terms of getting a notification every time the app syncs - I have no idea what would cause that, nor have I heard of it. Please file a bug at https://github.com/vector-im/element-android/issues https://github.com/vector-im/element-android/issues.
HolidayHuckle 6y ago
Ahh... thanks for pointing that out. That was a mistake in the blog article (fixed now). In fact the migrator only works on the web apps at the moment (not desktop or mobile). That said, even if the in-app migrator isn't available to other clients, people are obviously free to set up Element Nickel or Home direct from the website.