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"Break into Congress and kill the swamp creatures". This is a quote from Parler, and this is known as incitement, which is often illegal. The first amendment

"Break into Congress and kill the swamp creatures". This is a quote from Parler, and this is known as incitement, which is often illegal. The first amendment does not apply to child porn for obvious reasons, but it also doesn't apply to threats of violence, which isn't so obvious to everyone. To make this obvious, this is not a free speech issue.

throwawaysea 6y ago
The number of messages on Parler that had content like that was probably very limited. You’re cherry picking one message on a platform with double digit millions of users to paint a certain picture. But let’s not forget about all the violence in BLM riots over the last year, much of which was organized and popularized on social media platforms like Twitter or Facebook, who all get a pass. And yes it is a free speech issue when several companies that have left leaning cultures and leaders take concurrent actions to block a right leaning platform that mostly carries fully legal speech.
- sellyme 6y ago
  > The number of messages on Parler that had content like that was probably very limited. Why are you saying "probably"? A lot of it was backed up. You can go check for yourself, it was very markedly not limited.
  - throwawaysea 6y ago
    Feel free to share your hard evidence, with comparisons to total number of users and total message volume. Until then, you're making an unproven claim.
- hidarinokutsu 6y ago
  r/ParlerWatch has been surfacing violent threats for months, long before the Capitol riot. https://old.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/
- barbacoa 6y ago
  >not forget about all the violence in BLM riots over the last year, much of which was organized and popularized on social media platforms like Twitter or Facebook, who all get a pass. Elaborating on that: There was a mass shooting in New Zealand that was live streamed on Facebook. Now, imagine for a moment, what the public response would be if that had been on parler.
lenkite 6y ago
I can cherry-pick several thousand twitter messages (probably more) that make this quote seem like a soft, fluffy teddy bear. But no one here accuses twitter of being a terrorist platform. Your last line is absolutely correct: To make this obvious, this is not a free speech issue.
- stickfigure 6y ago
  > I can cherry-pick several thousand twitter messages I've heard this claim asserted before. I am unconvinced. Can you show me some examples?
  - throw374u9 6y ago
    #killallmen and similar hashtags. Verified users advocating genocide!
    - rvz 6y ago
      And now 'they' are saying #womxn is transphobic on Twitter. So now everyone using that in the past and present is a transphobe apparently. The potential triggernometry in this complex inclusivity equation boggles my mind. EDIT: Downvoters: So this tweet is not accurate, No? [0] From the reply thread, it shows how 'they' and Twitch are now re-hijacking the artificial term 'womxn' to lose its so-called meaning such that it can be used to cancel those who used it in the past, even when the same progressives coined it! [1] This is how it starts. Redefine progressive terms, find famous person using it, call them out and demand them to apologise to the world right now for using that 'hateful' term they used in the past or be cancelled. All of this because of Gamergate. [0] https://twitter.com/Mr_J_Plays/status/1366669979526062081 https://twitter.com/Mr_J_Plays/status/1366669979526062081 [1] https://twitter.com/batterystapler/status/1366669420265897985 https://twitter.com/batterystapler/status/136666942026589798...
      - throw374u9 6y ago
        You are overthinking it too much.
bumblelad 6y ago
You could make the same argument for inane twitter posts calling out to "kill all white men" or defund the police. In the end, the lines we draw are often in the sand, and the legitimacy of these threats have to be weighed with the consequence of real world actions. People storming the Capitol Hill building shouting these things posed a legitimate threat, but so do feminists shouting these things in rallies in real life, or the people burning police departments during the George Floyd protests. What we choose to condemn however, seems to be completely arbitrary to passers by.
bawolff 6y ago
Americans always seem to conflate what is legal in usa with what is free speech. All censorship of any speech is a free speech issue. My take is that it is sometimes justified to give consequences to speech that cause harm, but i don't think we should pretend its not a free speech issue.

throwawaysea 6y ago

The number of messages on Parler that had content like that was probably very limited. You’re cherry picking one message on a platform with double digit millions of users to paint a certain picture. But let’s not forget about all the violence in BLM riots over the last year, much of which was organized and popularized on social media platforms like Twitter or Facebook, who all get a pass. And yes it is a free speech issue when several companies that have left leaning cultures and leaders take concurrent actions to block a right leaning platform that mostly carries fully legal speech.

sellyme 6y ago
> The number of messages on Parler that had content like that was probably very limited. Why are you saying "probably"? A lot of it was backed up. You can go check for yourself, it was very markedly not limited.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  Feel free to share your hard evidence, with comparisons to total number of users and total message volume. Until then, you're making an unproven claim.
hidarinokutsu 6y ago
r/ParlerWatch has been surfacing violent threats for months, long before the Capitol riot. https://old.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/
barbacoa 6y ago
>not forget about all the violence in BLM riots over the last year, much of which was organized and popularized on social media platforms like Twitter or Facebook, who all get a pass. Elaborating on that: There was a mass shooting in New Zealand that was live streamed on Facebook. Now, imagine for a moment, what the public response would be if that had been on parler.

lenkite 6y ago

I can cherry-pick several thousand twitter messages (probably more) that make this quote seem like a soft, fluffy teddy bear. But no one here accuses twitter of being a terrorist platform. Your last line is absolutely correct: To make this obvious, this is not a free speech issue.

stickfigure 6y ago
> I can cherry-pick several thousand twitter messages I've heard this claim asserted before. I am unconvinced. Can you show me some examples?
- throw374u9 6y ago
  #killallmen and similar hashtags. Verified users advocating genocide!
  - rvz 6y ago
    And now 'they' are saying #womxn is transphobic on Twitter. So now everyone using that in the past and present is a transphobe apparently. The potential triggernometry in this complex inclusivity equation boggles my mind. EDIT: Downvoters: So this tweet is not accurate, No? [0] From the reply thread, it shows how 'they' and Twitch are now re-hijacking the artificial term 'womxn' to lose its so-called meaning such that it can be used to cancel those who used it in the past, even when the same progressives coined it! [1] This is how it starts. Redefine progressive terms, find famous person using it, call them out and demand them to apologise to the world right now for using that 'hateful' term they used in the past or be cancelled. All of this because of Gamergate. [0] https://twitter.com/Mr_J_Plays/status/1366669979526062081 https://twitter.com/Mr_J_Plays/status/1366669979526062081 [1] https://twitter.com/batterystapler/status/1366669420265897985 https://twitter.com/batterystapler/status/136666942026589798...
    - throw374u9 6y ago
      You are overthinking it too much.

bumblelad 6y ago

You could make the same argument for inane twitter posts calling out to "kill all white men" or defund the police. In the end, the lines we draw are often in the sand, and the legitimacy of these threats have to be weighed with the consequence of real world actions. People storming the Capitol Hill building shouting these things posed a legitimate threat, but so do feminists shouting these things in rallies in real life, or the people burning police departments during the George Floyd protests. What we choose to condemn however, seems to be completely arbitrary to passers by.

bawolff 6y ago

Americans always seem to conflate what is legal in usa with what is free speech. All censorship of any speech is a free speech issue. My take is that it is sometimes justified to give consequences to speech that cause harm, but i don't think we should pretend its not a free speech issue.