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This guy has been writing for the NYT for decades. Has tons of prestigious accolades for his writing, was up for a Pulitzer this year and you claim his writing

by jboog 6y ago

This guy has been writing for the NYT for decades. Has tons of prestigious accolades for his writing, was up for a Pulitzer this year and you claim his writing is "poor quality" based on....what exactly?

dragonwriter 6y ago
> you claim his writing is "poor quality" based on....what exactly? Because it is meandering, lacks a clear focus and organization, falls down tangents, etc. People who are excellent writers within a professional system where (1) they aren't writing about themselves, and (2) have the support of professional editors, etc., before the public sees the work, often have much lower quality without #2 or when the context is far from #1, such as writing about personal incidents that are highly charged. And most especially when both of those occur at the same time. And I don't claim his writing in the general sense is poor quality, I say that the four-part epic on this incident is poorly written. Or maybe it intends more to graphically convey the flow of consciousness that results from extreme indignation more than to inform effectively about the author's side of events, in which case it's a masterpiece of written art. “Poorly written” definitely makes an assumption of purpose that may not be warranted: as a show-not-tell feelings piece it is tremendously effective.
- jboog 6y ago
  I totally disagree! I thought it was a well-written account of his experience.
gnicholas 6y ago
I think it comes across as poor quality writing to people who don't know or care about the insider media/NYT stuff. For those people, there are too many characters in the story, and the meat comes at the end. But for media insiders, they know who these people are and find the additional detail useful/entertaining. I am in the former camp and wish there had been a timeline or TLDR.
- jboog 6y ago
  Generally writing should be judged based on what the author was trying to accomplish, as in this case, does it make a compelling case to its intended audience? And the intended audience is clearly people who care quite a lot about the "inside baseball" of NYT/Journalism and the media more broadly. So how the general reader perceives this is irrelevant. It wasn't written for the general reader! I don't read articles in the New England Journal of Medicine and claim the writing is poor because...it's not written for me and I wouldn't even know where to start in critiquing it.

by jboog 6y ago

dragonwriter 6y ago

> you claim his writing is "poor quality" based on....what exactly? Because it is meandering, lacks a clear focus and organization, falls down tangents, etc. People who are excellent writers within a professional system where (1) they aren't writing about themselves, and (2) have the support of professional editors, etc., before the public sees the work, often have much lower quality without #2 or when the context is far from #1, such as writing about personal incidents that are highly charged. And most especially when both of those occur at the same time. And I don't claim his writing in the general sense is poor quality, I say that the four-part epic on this incident is poorly written. Or maybe it intends more to graphically convey the flow of consciousness that results from extreme indignation more than to inform effectively about the author's side of events, in which case it's a masterpiece of written art. “Poorly written” definitely makes an assumption of purpose that may not be warranted: as a show-not-tell feelings piece it is tremendously effective.

jboog 6y ago
I totally disagree! I thought it was a well-written account of his experience.

gnicholas 6y ago

I think it comes across as poor quality writing to people who don't know or care about the insider media/NYT stuff. For those people, there are too many characters in the story, and the meat comes at the end. But for media insiders, they know who these people are and find the additional detail useful/entertaining. I am in the former camp and wish there had been a timeline or TLDR.

jboog 6y ago
Generally writing should be judged based on what the author was trying to accomplish, as in this case, does it make a compelling case to its intended audience? And the intended audience is clearly people who care quite a lot about the "inside baseball" of NYT/Journalism and the media more broadly. So how the general reader perceives this is irrelevant. It wasn't written for the general reader! I don't read articles in the New England Journal of Medicine and claim the writing is poor because...it's not written for me and I wouldn't even know where to start in critiquing it.