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>I think we are close to the tipping point where a majority of developers begin to favor webapps to iOS native apps Isn't this pretty much what Apple wanted in

>I think we are close to the tipping point where a majority of developers begin to favor webapps to iOS native apps Isn't this pretty much what Apple wanted in the first place?

wmf 15y ago
I don't think Apple ever liked Web apps; they just talked about it until the real SDK was ready.
blinkingled 15y ago
No. It just meant that they did not have the native application development SDK and the associated App Store infrastructure ready that time. Saying "who needs native apps when there is the Web" up until releasing the native App Store is typical of Apple - "who wants to watch video on small screen", "People don't read anymore" etc. come to mind.
- crag 15y ago
  Actually you have evidence of that? Cause I don't believe that for a second. I was a member of the ADC at that time. And I don't remember seeing ANYTHING about a iphone (this was before it was renamed to ios) dev kit. But my email was full of guidelines to create web apps for the phone. What I think happened is that (at that time) Apple wanted Mac developers to make iphone apps, badly. And mac dev's wanted to do it natively. A half a year later, I see the beta of the dev kit. I doubt Apple imagined the app store market at that time. And like most grand success stories, there was a lot of luck involved.
  - blinkingled 15y ago
    Evidence of what? You seem to concur that native sdk and app store did not exist at the time when Apple said Web Apps are good enough. Sure they didn't wanted to lose developer attention and had to keep them engaged with web apps etc. until they figured out the strategy on native development and the app store. And I can't believe that Apple had totally closed the door or hadn't thought about native apps at all when they initially released the iPhone - there wasn't any sensible reason not to - it wasn't a new thing, at least some of the phone platforms had native apps and there were even App Stores before that. It was just a matter of time.
    - Anechoic 15y ago
      Looking at the 2007 WWDC press release, it looks like Web apps was they way Apple seriously wanted to go: "Developers can create Web 2.0 applications which look and behave just like the applications built into iPhone, and which can seamlessly access iPhone’s services, including making a phone call, sending an email and displaying a location in Google Maps." If nothing else, it gave them a much larger potential developer base than relying on native development alone and by sticking to standards it insures that the iPhone would always have a place in the table.
recoiledsnake 15y ago
No, that's what Apple says, to placate users demanding Flash support.
Anechoic 15y ago
To the downvoters: this is what I'm talking about: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/06/11iphone.html http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/06/11iphone.html

>I think we are close to the tipping point where a majority of developers begin to favor webapps to iOS native apps Isn't this pretty much what Apple wanted in the first place?

wmf 15y ago

I don't think Apple ever liked Web apps; they just talked about it until the real SDK was ready.

blinkingled 15y ago

No. It just meant that they did not have the native application development SDK and the associated App Store infrastructure ready that time. Saying "who needs native apps when there is the Web" up until releasing the native App Store is typical of Apple - "who wants to watch video on small screen", "People don't read anymore" etc. come to mind.

crag 15y ago
Actually you have evidence of that? Cause I don't believe that for a second. I was a member of the ADC at that time. And I don't remember seeing ANYTHING about a iphone (this was before it was renamed to ios) dev kit. But my email was full of guidelines to create web apps for the phone. What I think happened is that (at that time) Apple wanted Mac developers to make iphone apps, badly. And mac dev's wanted to do it natively. A half a year later, I see the beta of the dev kit. I doubt Apple imagined the app store market at that time. And like most grand success stories, there was a lot of luck involved.
- blinkingled 15y ago
  Evidence of what? You seem to concur that native sdk and app store did not exist at the time when Apple said Web Apps are good enough. Sure they didn't wanted to lose developer attention and had to keep them engaged with web apps etc. until they figured out the strategy on native development and the app store. And I can't believe that Apple had totally closed the door or hadn't thought about native apps at all when they initially released the iPhone - there wasn't any sensible reason not to - it wasn't a new thing, at least some of the phone platforms had native apps and there were even App Stores before that. It was just a matter of time.
  - Anechoic 15y ago
    Looking at the 2007 WWDC press release, it looks like Web apps was they way Apple seriously wanted to go: "Developers can create Web 2.0 applications which look and behave just like the applications built into iPhone, and which can seamlessly access iPhone’s services, including making a phone call, sending an email and displaying a location in Google Maps." If nothing else, it gave them a much larger potential developer base than relying on native development alone and by sticking to standards it insures that the iPhone would always have a place in the table.

recoiledsnake 15y ago

No, that's what Apple says, to placate users demanding Flash support.

Anechoic 15y ago

To the downvoters: this is what I'm talking about: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/06/11iphone.html http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/06/11iphone.html