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> or what they deserve. It's about YOU. So then if a mugger is attacking someone, you think that we should tip our hat at the mugger, and walk by? No. I thi

by stale2002 6y ago

> or what they deserve. It's about YOU. So then if a mugger is attacking someone, you think that we should tip our hat at the mugger, and walk by? No. I think that I should stop them from attacking others, and I am not going to respect the attacker, even if I lived in a society where it was legal for a mugger to attack others. Even though violence is "wrong" in general, it is not wrong to use violence to defend others who are being attacked by a mugger. > You want to be a good guy with that clause? Line the clause out. Thats like saying that if you are being attacked by a mugger, you should just run away, even if you think that mugger is going to hurt someone else in the future. No. The good thing to do is to take actions to stop the mugger from attacking you as well as other people, even if we live in some weird society where it is legal to assault others. > Agreeing to something with your fingers crossed behind your back is dishonest and cowardly. Using violence against others is normally a bad thing, but it is a good thing to do it in order to protect others. The same thing applies to the original situation.

loco5niner 6y ago
>So then if a mugger is attacking someone, you think that we should tip our hat at the mugger, and walk by? Do you not see that the symbolism you are building here correlates with you joining the mugger in their current actions (mugging), then possibly somewhere down the road betraying the mugger? How does that make you better than them? I feel like you are trying to justify a selfish decision.
- stale2002 6y ago
  You completely ignored my question. (edit: didn't realize you were a different person actually, but my point still stands) Have you now backed off completely on your point about tipping hats to people? Because previously you started saying how we should respect everyone. Do you now agree that we should not do that, to muggers, for example, and that it is totally OK to go back on your word against someone trying to attack you? * An example of how someone might betray a mugger, would be if you promise them that you will go home and get them money, if they let you keep your phone, and then you "betray" them by going back on your word, and escaping instead. (Lets assume you can get away with this easily in this hypothetical, and that mugging isn't illegal, lol) * Whether or not someone's actions help the company/mugger engage in bad actions is a separate discussion. It is a completely different argument to say "You should not betray your word to a company giving you an immoral contract" as compared to your new argument of "You should not work for companies that give non-competes, because non-competes are evil". Previously, you were making it seem like the evil act here, is betraying the company. And now you are switching it up and saying that the evil act is working for the company at all. So, once again, do you now agree with me that we should not respect everyone, such as muggers, and that it is not immoral to betray, for example, muggers?

loco5niner 6y ago

>So then if a mugger is attacking someone, you think that we should tip our hat at the mugger, and walk by? Do you not see that the symbolism you are building here correlates with you joining the mugger in their current actions (mugging), then possibly somewhere down the road betraying the mugger? How does that make you better than them? I feel like you are trying to justify a selfish decision.

stale2002 6y ago
You completely ignored my question. (edit: didn't realize you were a different person actually, but my point still stands) Have you now backed off completely on your point about tipping hats to people? Because previously you started saying how we should respect everyone. Do you now agree that we should not do that, to muggers, for example, and that it is totally OK to go back on your word against someone trying to attack you? * An example of how someone might betray a mugger, would be if you promise them that you will go home and get them money, if they let you keep your phone, and then you "betray" them by going back on your word, and escaping instead. (Lets assume you can get away with this easily in this hypothetical, and that mugging isn't illegal, lol) * Whether or not someone's actions help the company/mugger engage in bad actions is a separate discussion. It is a completely different argument to say "You should not betray your word to a company giving you an immoral contract" as compared to your new argument of "You should not work for companies that give non-competes, because non-competes are evil". Previously, you were making it seem like the evil act here, is betraying the company. And now you are switching it up and saying that the evil act is working for the company at all. So, once again, do you now agree with me that we should not respect everyone, such as muggers, and that it is not immoral to betray, for example, muggers?