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The only thing that is disingenuous is this argument. It has nothing to do with arrogance and everything to do with virtue signaling and fascism. Telling people
by lawnchair_larry 6y ago
The only thing that is disingenuous is this argument. It has nothing to do with arrogance and everything to do with virtue signaling and fascism. Telling people how they should feel and unwillingness to listen to opposing views goes both ways.
The easy way to tell that it’s disingenuous? Search this on Google:
site:nytimes.com "nigger"
Appearing in print in his same publication as recently as 2018, 2019, and even December of 2020. So it was fine to print in appropriate context before he said it, and after he said it, but that particular week it was racist and unforgivable. Pretty clear what’s really going on here.
- etchalon 6y agoYes, it is clear. A cultural moment that is causing a re-evaluation on how the word is treated. Dismissing it as "virtue signaling and fascism" is a cheap way to avoid the actual debate.
- gotoeleven 6y agoWhat is the actual debate? The magic n-word Im so offended by the sound fainting couch crowd seems to only be using it as an excuse to go after people they already don't like. Here's Joe Biden using the n-word in a quote yet not a peep from the re-evaluators of this cultural moment. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9146840045 https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9146840045
- tootie 6y agoPesca and McNeil were not quoting someone else. Biden probably wouldn't get away with even a direct quote in 2021 but this was 36 years ago and it was to impugn someone for racist gerrymandering. A commenter on that article actually sums it up nicely: https://defector.com/mike-pesca-slate-suspended/?commentID=f24c401f-3f33-46b7-9eb0-1bc3003d90ad https://defector.com/mike-pesca-slate-suspended/?commentID=f...
- etchalon 6y agoIt's not the "magic n-word", it's a destructive epithet used against an entire race of people over generations. The debate is over what, if any, place the word has in our world, whether it's ever OK to say, and what types of usage we should tolerate. I'd also point out that there was a lot of anger, debate and incrimination over Biden's past racial issues during the primary, and continued anger today over his history. He was only able to survive past the primary because, whatever his history, he had strong alliances, and a wealth of trust, within specific communities of Black Americans who were willing to forgive his past.
- lawnchair_larry 6y agoI don’t think you read my comment. The NY Times is still using it in print in the same context. This was virtue signaling and fascism. A debate involves engaging with another party in good faith, not conspiring to get them fired before a conversation even happens. That is a cheap way to avoid the actual debate.
- tootie 6y agoAll the uses I see are direct quotes, archival from the 19th century or a discussion of censoring huckleberry finn.
- lawnchair_larry 6y agoLook harder. I understand though, since there are so many of them. I was surprised myself. Here is an opinion piece from the extremely left Paul Krugman: > Well, the dog whistle days are over. Republicans are pretty much back to saying “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/opinion/trump-twitter-racist.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/opinion/trump-twitter-rac... For the ultimate in irony, it appears here, uncensored, in an article about a guy who got fired for not censoring his references to others using it. He asked a student to stop calling him it, and got fired for using the word. And NYT prints it (with the byline being a white guy). But if that wasn’t absurd enough, the guy who was fired for asking a student to stop calling him that was black. A black guy got fired because he asked a student to stop calling him nigger. This is how far we have come. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/wisconsin-security-guard-fired-n-word.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/wisconsin-security-gua...