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It sounds like what's happening at the New York Times is that the younger generation of journalists (Gen X, Millenials) want the older generation out. They want

It sounds like what's happening at the New York Times is that the younger generation of journalists (Gen X, Millenials) want the older generation out. They want their jobs. In that context it's easy to see why no argument or defense would ever convince the "woke" mob in the newsroom.

Shivetya 6y ago
well it has been claimed that they want to direct the news rather than tell it, as in they want to push what they think is right and that moral imperative is more important that presenting the facts. this is what worries me the most about the changes seen in the press, many publications are already bowing to pressure and far too many jump on the vilification bandwagon as if to say "See we know how to act and we agree" without regard to context or much else. cancel culture or whatever you want to call it is hyper destructive and will simply lead to a world where trust is never possible if you wanted to destroy Western civilization you could not do much better than this. McCarthyism is back on the menu.
- fullshark 6y ago
  Perhaps that is just the weapon of choice to achieve the OP's stated goals, particularly effective in a social media environment outside their jobs where outrage = attention = name recognition.
- gremlinsinc 6y ago
  The older generation has been canceling pro-socialist speech and agendas for decades, is that okay? How is this any different?
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- tsimionescu 6y ago
  > well it has been claimed that they want to direct the news rather than tell it, as in they want to push what they think is right and that moral imperative is more important that presenting the facts. This is what the corporate press has always done. There has never been a time where wealthy papers were paying journalists to follow the story and would print whatever they found. These are just nice stories people tell themselves. What's mostly happening right now is a combination of a changing of the guard, with a new generation valuing other moral absolutes than the previous one; and more access to the internals of papers because of freer accesa to information (and misinformation) from social media.
mezentius 6y ago
Ding-ding-ding. Yes, that is exactly what's actually happening here—and it's happening at a number of large news media outlets, print or otherwise. There is no longer a mandatory retirement age, and the older reporters with more experience (who are also relatively healthy for their age) simply don't want to retire. The business is shrinking and so there are fewer jobs available to new people, at an increasingly laughable salary. The older reporters not only (rightly) see the younger generation as a threat to their jobs, but also tend to despise their perceived arrogance, ideologically-driven worldview, and weak professional skills (namely, poor writing ability). This produces a lot of pent-up resentment and low-level friction which eventually explodes into strange court intrigues like this episode. Beyond this, journalism has always involved viciously cutthroat and competitive rivalries between reporters. Those rivalries used to be settled via results, "gets," and access. Now they are now solved by wielding mob power via social media, which gives them leverage over their parent company's business.

Shivetya 6y ago

well it has been claimed that they want to direct the news rather than tell it, as in they want to push what they think is right and that moral imperative is more important that presenting the facts. this is what worries me the most about the changes seen in the press, many publications are already bowing to pressure and far too many jump on the vilification bandwagon as if to say "See we know how to act and we agree" without regard to context or much else. cancel culture or whatever you want to call it is hyper destructive and will simply lead to a world where trust is never possible if you wanted to destroy Western civilization you could not do much better than this. McCarthyism is back on the menu.

fullshark 6y ago
Perhaps that is just the weapon of choice to achieve the OP's stated goals, particularly effective in a social media environment outside their jobs where outrage = attention = name recognition.
gremlinsinc 6y ago
The older generation has been canceling pro-socialist speech and agendas for decades, is that okay? How is this any different?
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tsimionescu 6y ago
> well it has been claimed that they want to direct the news rather than tell it, as in they want to push what they think is right and that moral imperative is more important that presenting the facts. This is what the corporate press has always done. There has never been a time where wealthy papers were paying journalists to follow the story and would print whatever they found. These are just nice stories people tell themselves. What's mostly happening right now is a combination of a changing of the guard, with a new generation valuing other moral absolutes than the previous one; and more access to the internals of papers because of freer accesa to information (and misinformation) from social media.

mezentius 6y ago

Ding-ding-ding. Yes, that is exactly what's actually happening here—and it's happening at a number of large news media outlets, print or otherwise. There is no longer a mandatory retirement age, and the older reporters with more experience (who are also relatively healthy for their age) simply don't want to retire. The business is shrinking and so there are fewer jobs available to new people, at an increasingly laughable salary. The older reporters not only (rightly) see the younger generation as a threat to their jobs, but also tend to despise their perceived arrogance, ideologically-driven worldview, and weak professional skills (namely, poor writing ability). This produces a lot of pent-up resentment and low-level friction which eventually explodes into strange court intrigues like this episode. Beyond this, journalism has always involved viciously cutthroat and competitive rivalries between reporters. Those rivalries used to be settled via results, "gets," and access. Now they are now solved by wielding mob power via social media, which gives them leverage over their parent company's business.