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The question is "Who make America what it is?", it is not "Who make democracy what it is". America's uniqueness is not democracy. There are many other countrie

The question is "Who make America what it is?", it is not "Who make democracy what it is". America's uniqueness is not democracy. There are many other countries are democratic and have free press and have journalists.

tablespoon 6y ago
> America's uniqueness is not democracy. There are many other countries are democratic and have free press and have journalists. Most of those countries developed those things after America. Democracy, free press, etc. are absolutely vital to American identity. You can't take them away and be left with something recognizably "American."
- temp8964 6y ago
  I am not sure what kind of word game are we playing here, but let me make it simple: 1) journalists are important to free press 2) free press is important to democracy 3) democracy is important to America because of 1->2->3, journalists make America what it is. Do you understand by this logic, basically any profession can fit "xxx make America what it is". At least "programmers make America what it is" is certainly true.
  - tablespoon 6y ago
    > Do you understand by this logic, basically any profession can fit "xxx make America what it is". At least "programmers make America what it is" is certainly true. The error you're making is treating all kinds of "important" as equivalent. Your 3) should be something more like "democracy is an important part of American identity." Programming may be important to America today, but it's not really part of its identity.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    By that logic, many things make America what it is. Journalists, but also truck drivers and the automobile and the electric grid and...
    - temp8964 6y ago
      But I guess truck drivers won't be so arrogant to make that kind of statement for themselves.
      - the_only_law 6y ago
        This is just blue collar romanticism. Of course they do. I know people who ran a whole joke around the concept.
- Daho0n 6y ago
  The US press might be free (more than most less than some) but if the American identify is so tied to the press, that most outside of the US sees as mostly propaganda for one cause or the other, I fear America won't be for long. IMO most of the press in the US is working against democracy, not for it.

tablespoon 6y ago

> America's uniqueness is not democracy. There are many other countries are democratic and have free press and have journalists. Most of those countries developed those things after America. Democracy, free press, etc. are absolutely vital to American identity. You can't take them away and be left with something recognizably "American."

temp8964 6y ago
I am not sure what kind of word game are we playing here, but let me make it simple: 1) journalists are important to free press 2) free press is important to democracy 3) democracy is important to America because of 1->2->3, journalists make America what it is. Do you understand by this logic, basically any profession can fit "xxx make America what it is". At least "programmers make America what it is" is certainly true.
- tablespoon 6y ago
  > Do you understand by this logic, basically any profession can fit "xxx make America what it is". At least "programmers make America what it is" is certainly true. The error you're making is treating all kinds of "important" as equivalent. Your 3) should be something more like "democracy is an important part of American identity." Programming may be important to America today, but it's not really part of its identity.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  By that logic, many things make America what it is. Journalists, but also truck drivers and the automobile and the electric grid and...
  - temp8964 6y ago
    But I guess truck drivers won't be so arrogant to make that kind of statement for themselves.
    - the_only_law 6y ago
      This is just blue collar romanticism. Of course they do. I know people who ran a whole joke around the concept.
Daho0n 6y ago
The US press might be free (more than most less than some) but if the American identify is so tied to the press, that most outside of the US sees as mostly propaganda for one cause or the other, I fear America won't be for long. IMO most of the press in the US is working against democracy, not for it.