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Part 2: https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-part-two-what-happened-january-28-3e41bdbb28a7 https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes

Part 2: https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-part-two-what-happened-january-28-3e41bdbb28a7 https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-p... Part 3: https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-part-three-what-happened-in-the-2019-investigation-6f8e9939a385 https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-p... Part 4: https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-part-four-what-happened-in-peru-2a641a9b5e83 https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-p...

lisper 6y ago
Thanks! Do you by chance also have a link to the Daily Beast article that started this kerfuffle?
- qnsi 6y ago
  https://www.thedailybeast.com/star-new-york-times-reporter-donald-mcneil-accused-of-using-n-word-making-other-racist-comments https://www.thedailybeast.com/star-new-york-times-reporter-d...
  - disgrunt 6y ago
    > Multiple people familiar with the situation told The Daily Beast that an internal investigation was conducted about the claims and that the top science reporter was reprimanded. The paper also reached out to some parties who complained to apologize for McNeil’s behavior and to assure the students and parents that action had been taken internally against him. Not a single accuser was named. Goes on to use "people familiar with the situation" and "Some parties". Even hit pieces on journalists are effectively sourceless. Journalism is dead.
    - jccalhoun 6y ago
      The accusers seem to be the students themselves and so were and may still be minors. If that is the case I don't think naming them in this situation would be the best thing to do.
      - disgrunt 6y ago
        Not by my reading of the hit piece. > After the excursion ended, according to multiple parents of students on the trip who spoke with The Daily Beast along with documents shared with the...
  - stefan_ 6y ago
    I assume it is intentional that this article is devoid of any actual quote of what is purported to have been said, and instead consists purely of multiple, mostly redundant statements of how the teenagers reacted to what is insinuated to have been said? The levels of indirection here don't leave a great impression.
- FillardMillmore 6y ago
  I believe this is the article in question. https://www.thedailybeast.com/star-new-york-times-reporter-donald-mcneil-accused-of-using-n-word-making-other-racist-comments https://www.thedailybeast.com/star-new-york-times-reporter-d...
kragen 6y ago
In the interest of holding people accountable for what they publish, rather than giving them the option to falsify their words later, or claim that others have done so: Part 1: https://archive.fo/PLa2m https://archive.fo/PLa2m Part 2: https://archive.fo/cbU53 https://archive.fo/cbU53 Part 3: https://archive.fo/TT3B2 https://archive.fo/TT3B2 Part 4: https://archive.fo/W12D7 https://archive.fo/W12D7 (As another comment points out below, these articles are also likely to get memory-holed by demands to censor "racist content", or "content by racists".) I did try things like https://web.archive.org/web/20210301145319/https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-part-four-what-happened-in-peru-2a641a9b5e83 https://web.archive.org/web/20210301145319/https://donaldgmc... but the Medium JS seems to successfully replace the page with a 500 error after it's loaded, despite being served from the IA. All the requests in the debug pane do go to archive.org, so this is probably a solvable problem. Are there other good alternatives to archive.fo for this kind of thing? Maybe something decentralized?
- nerdponx 6y ago
  I wonder if there's something like archive.is/fo/vn/??, but built on IPFS.

lisper 6y ago

Thanks! Do you by chance also have a link to the Daily Beast article that started this kerfuffle?

qnsi 6y ago
https://www.thedailybeast.com/star-new-york-times-reporter-donald-mcneil-accused-of-using-n-word-making-other-racist-comments https://www.thedailybeast.com/star-new-york-times-reporter-d...
- disgrunt 6y ago
  > Multiple people familiar with the situation told The Daily Beast that an internal investigation was conducted about the claims and that the top science reporter was reprimanded. The paper also reached out to some parties who complained to apologize for McNeil’s behavior and to assure the students and parents that action had been taken internally against him. Not a single accuser was named. Goes on to use "people familiar with the situation" and "Some parties". Even hit pieces on journalists are effectively sourceless. Journalism is dead.
  - jccalhoun 6y ago
    The accusers seem to be the students themselves and so were and may still be minors. If that is the case I don't think naming them in this situation would be the best thing to do.
    - disgrunt 6y ago
      Not by my reading of the hit piece. > After the excursion ended, according to multiple parents of students on the trip who spoke with The Daily Beast along with documents shared with the...
- stefan_ 6y ago
  I assume it is intentional that this article is devoid of any actual quote of what is purported to have been said, and instead consists purely of multiple, mostly redundant statements of how the teenagers reacted to what is insinuated to have been said? The levels of indirection here don't leave a great impression.
FillardMillmore 6y ago
I believe this is the article in question. https://www.thedailybeast.com/star-new-york-times-reporter-donald-mcneil-accused-of-using-n-word-making-other-racist-comments https://www.thedailybeast.com/star-new-york-times-reporter-d...

kragen 6y ago

In the interest of holding people accountable for what they publish, rather than giving them the option to falsify their words later, or claim that others have done so: Part 1: https://archive.fo/PLa2m https://archive.fo/PLa2m Part 2: https://archive.fo/cbU53 https://archive.fo/cbU53 Part 3: https://archive.fo/TT3B2 https://archive.fo/TT3B2 Part 4: https://archive.fo/W12D7 https://archive.fo/W12D7 (As another comment points out below, these articles are also likely to get memory-holed by demands to censor "racist content", or "content by racists".) I did try things like https://web.archive.org/web/20210301145319/https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-part-four-what-happened-in-peru-2a641a9b5e83 https://web.archive.org/web/20210301145319/https://donaldgmc... but the Medium JS seems to successfully replace the page with a 500 error after it's loaded, despite being served from the IA. All the requests in the debug pane do go to archive.org, so this is probably a solvable problem. Are there other good alternatives to archive.fo for this kind of thing? Maybe something decentralized?

nerdponx 6y ago
I wonder if there's something like archive.is/fo/vn/??, but built on IPFS.