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> However, demanding mainstream tools to lag behind because of said exotic architectures is unrealistic Rust is mainstream on HN, not in the real world. Becaus

> However, demanding mainstream tools to lag behind because of said exotic architectures is unrealistic Rust is mainstream on HN, not in the real world. Because "Uber" or whatever unicorns uses it doesn't make you mainstream. https://madnight.github.io/githut/#/pull_requests/2020/4 https://madnight.github.io/githut/#/pull_requests/2020/4 - Rust is barely reaching 1%.

pdimitar 6y ago
I strongly disagree on those metrics and I would question their coverage with the real world out there. Rust is getting more and more prevalent and I'm saying that as a person that has barely worked in only one SV company for the last 5 years. I'm working outside the mainstream companies and I'm still seeing Rust gathering mindshare all the time wherever I go. And I'm not even hired for Rust positions. Anecdotal for sure, I'll agree, but your observation is no less anecdotal than mine. Rust brings very real advantages to the table and seeing people rebelling against it only on principle (and not on merit) is getting increasingly baffling. Feels like an emotional rebellion versus resistance based on facts and merit.
- alacombe 6y ago
  Show me a metric which makes Rust a relevant language. > Anecdotal for sure, I'll agree, but your observation is no less anecdotal than mine. I haven't seen Rust in any "top X language" news. Prove me wrong.
  - pdimitar 6y ago
    Do you participate in any language popularity study that you stumble upon? I know I don't. Add 99% of all my colleagues ever don't as well. Even if I found a study that corroborated my observation I'd still not trust it. I don't make a habit out of supporting dubious studies only because they support my point of view. From what I've seen for 19 years of career, most working programmers refuse to participate in such studies. Hence I don't trust them either way. They work with a non-representative sample of the population. Not a big enough sample for the study to be valid.
    - alacombe 6y ago
      Instead of shooting the messengers, please provide me a non-anecdotal reference about Rust being relevant.
      - pdimitar 6y ago
        This will not go anywhere. :) I prefer to look around -- this has always been giving me much more objective info throughout my entire career. I get your skepticism but you are not arguing in good faith. I already asserted that to me those language popularity contests are dubious and non-representative. If you disagree with that premise then we have zero common ground and can't discuss the topic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
        alacombe 6y ago
        > This will not go anywhere. :) Of course, you don't have any argument, so you're posturing and running away. Very immature.
      - cycloptic 6y ago
        Have you seen the stack overflow survey over the last few years? It has some interesting data. https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-languages https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-mo...

pdimitar 6y ago

I strongly disagree on those metrics and I would question their coverage with the real world out there. Rust is getting more and more prevalent and I'm saying that as a person that has barely worked in only one SV company for the last 5 years. I'm working outside the mainstream companies and I'm still seeing Rust gathering mindshare all the time wherever I go. And I'm not even hired for Rust positions. Anecdotal for sure, I'll agree, but your observation is no less anecdotal than mine. Rust brings very real advantages to the table and seeing people rebelling against it only on principle (and not on merit) is getting increasingly baffling. Feels like an emotional rebellion versus resistance based on facts and merit.

alacombe 6y ago
Show me a metric which makes Rust a relevant language. > Anecdotal for sure, I'll agree, but your observation is no less anecdotal than mine. I haven't seen Rust in any "top X language" news. Prove me wrong.
- pdimitar 6y ago
  Do you participate in any language popularity study that you stumble upon? I know I don't. Add 99% of all my colleagues ever don't as well. Even if I found a study that corroborated my observation I'd still not trust it. I don't make a habit out of supporting dubious studies only because they support my point of view. From what I've seen for 19 years of career, most working programmers refuse to participate in such studies. Hence I don't trust them either way. They work with a non-representative sample of the population. Not a big enough sample for the study to be valid.
  - alacombe 6y ago
    Instead of shooting the messengers, please provide me a non-anecdotal reference about Rust being relevant.
    - pdimitar 6y ago
      This will not go anywhere. :) I prefer to look around -- this has always been giving me much more objective info throughout my entire career. I get your skepticism but you are not arguing in good faith. I already asserted that to me those language popularity contests are dubious and non-representative. If you disagree with that premise then we have zero common ground and can't discuss the topic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      - alacombe 6y ago
        > This will not go anywhere. :) Of course, you don't have any argument, so you're posturing and running away. Very immature.
    - cycloptic 6y ago
      Have you seen the stack overflow survey over the last few years? It has some interesting data. https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-languages https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-mo...