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I don't think it's limited to just what you say in public. Videos and audio recordings have a way of triggering human emotions that writing simply does not. To

I don't think it's limited to just what you say in public. Videos and audio recordings have a way of triggering human emotions that writing simply does not. To tell you the truth, I live in perpetual fear that some acquaintance could secretly record me saying some non-PC thing in private, and post it to Twitter to get me cancelled. I have deleted all social media to try to achieve "out of sight, out of mind" but I still feel unsafe. It's truly dystopian. I do feel as if I will go insane if this continues for another 10 years. I worked hard in school and sacrificed so that I could build myself a better life. Now, it seems like the entire thing hangs on a knife's edge. Quite frankly, I would not have tried to work hard for the last 15 years if I had known we were about to go full-blown 1984.

inglor_cz 6y ago
Deep fakes are coming and with it a tsunami of outrageous videos that have no connection to reality. People will learn to distrust video evidence.
- IAmWorried 6y ago
  I think this could extend to major public figures, but offers no recourse to the average joe who doesn't have 100 hours of talking footage online. Deepfakes require a lot of data to produce. Anyone who doesn't have this much data, you could reliably assume the content is real.
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    "Deepfakes require a lot of data to produce." I wonder if this is going to hold, especially as 4K video is becoming the norm.
    - belval 6y ago
      It won't, as with everything in DL the models are becoming much better at training on a large amount of data and fine-tuning on very little. I am pretty sure in 1-2 years we will have semi-convincing one-shot learning deepfakes models with 5-10 pictures you could get on the person's Facebook profile.
  - nomdep 6y ago
    "Deepfakes require a lot of data to produce." Are you sure? https://www.myheritage.com/deep-nostalgia https://www.myheritage.com/deep-nostalgia The result is not perfect but it could be with a few more photos. And realistic synthetic voice generation is not so far away in the future.
  - throwaway316943 6y ago
    > 100 hours of talking video You mean like zoom recordings? Yeah nobody has those.
    - IAmWorried 6y ago
      Haha, good point. I didn't even really think of that.
fl0wenol 6y ago
Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Just don't be an ass to people who you have locker room talk with and they won't have shit to say later. Sure, there's always those lizard-brained people who will smile then stab you in the back, but they could also just as easily poison your dog or cut your brake lines vs. ruin your life on social media. These are the choices we make. Or we can live as a hermits Ted Kaczynski-style.
- IAmWorried 6y ago
  Well, poisoning my dog or vandalizing my car is illegal. Whipping up a twitter mob is legal and highly encouraged by an enormous number of people. I try not to be an ass to anyone, but jealousy and envy exists. It's now impossible for me to relax around some acquaintances who are unemployed while I pull in a big tech salary. All in all, I really made my mind up on this issue back during the BLM protests. This cancel culture is orwellian, evil, and directly contrary to what made the US a technological powerhouse. And more and more people are being radicalized by it, and the alarming number of apologists, every day.
  - d1zzy 6y ago
    I've unfortunately have discovered that the people who I thought to be friends (smart, funny, kind) have completely changed their attitude once they found out my employer. Now I have to watch out everything I say around them because it's all assumed to come from a place of evil intent and interpreted in the worst case possible. Lesson learned: do not share your work place with anyone you want to keep being friends with, at least not people that aren't similarly employed/earn similarly.
    - 3np 6y ago
      Do you work at Palantir or the GOPs social media department or something? Because that sounds extreme and can’t be just about income levels BTW it’s freeing coming from a country where discussing income and money is taboo. I don’t even know what my parents earn. It has its downsides as well, but it’s nice not even being able to judge.
throwaway316943 6y ago
If this continues for another 10 years I’m buying a farm far away from anyone with a Twitter account.

inglor_cz 6y ago

Deep fakes are coming and with it a tsunami of outrageous videos that have no connection to reality. People will learn to distrust video evidence.

IAmWorried 6y ago
I think this could extend to major public figures, but offers no recourse to the average joe who doesn't have 100 hours of talking footage online. Deepfakes require a lot of data to produce. Anyone who doesn't have this much data, you could reliably assume the content is real.
- inglor_cz 6y ago
  "Deepfakes require a lot of data to produce." I wonder if this is going to hold, especially as 4K video is becoming the norm.
  - belval 6y ago
    It won't, as with everything in DL the models are becoming much better at training on a large amount of data and fine-tuning on very little. I am pretty sure in 1-2 years we will have semi-convincing one-shot learning deepfakes models with 5-10 pictures you could get on the person's Facebook profile.
- nomdep 6y ago
  "Deepfakes require a lot of data to produce." Are you sure? https://www.myheritage.com/deep-nostalgia https://www.myheritage.com/deep-nostalgia The result is not perfect but it could be with a few more photos. And realistic synthetic voice generation is not so far away in the future.
- throwaway316943 6y ago
  > 100 hours of talking video You mean like zoom recordings? Yeah nobody has those.
  - IAmWorried 6y ago
    Haha, good point. I didn't even really think of that.

fl0wenol 6y ago

Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Just don't be an ass to people who you have locker room talk with and they won't have shit to say later. Sure, there's always those lizard-brained people who will smile then stab you in the back, but they could also just as easily poison your dog or cut your brake lines vs. ruin your life on social media. These are the choices we make. Or we can live as a hermits Ted Kaczynski-style.

IAmWorried 6y ago
Well, poisoning my dog or vandalizing my car is illegal. Whipping up a twitter mob is legal and highly encouraged by an enormous number of people. I try not to be an ass to anyone, but jealousy and envy exists. It's now impossible for me to relax around some acquaintances who are unemployed while I pull in a big tech salary. All in all, I really made my mind up on this issue back during the BLM protests. This cancel culture is orwellian, evil, and directly contrary to what made the US a technological powerhouse. And more and more people are being radicalized by it, and the alarming number of apologists, every day.
- d1zzy 6y ago
  I've unfortunately have discovered that the people who I thought to be friends (smart, funny, kind) have completely changed their attitude once they found out my employer. Now I have to watch out everything I say around them because it's all assumed to come from a place of evil intent and interpreted in the worst case possible. Lesson learned: do not share your work place with anyone you want to keep being friends with, at least not people that aren't similarly employed/earn similarly.
  - 3np 6y ago
    Do you work at Palantir or the GOPs social media department or something? Because that sounds extreme and can’t be just about income levels BTW it’s freeing coming from a country where discussing income and money is taboo. I don’t even know what my parents earn. It has its downsides as well, but it’s nice not even being able to judge.

throwaway316943 6y ago

If this continues for another 10 years I’m buying a farm far away from anyone with a Twitter account.