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> There's a reason we've never done it in the US, and it's not for any lack of corruption. What reason?

by kowlo 6y ago

xhkkffbf 6y ago
There are several I can think of off hand. 1) Political debate can be thwarted by legal charges. Imagine if some of the politicians who supported Rosa Parks were indicted as co-conspirators in bus rule evasion. It's kind of a silly idea, but only because of tradition. The reality is that many people pushing for political change are asking for legal relief from laws. In other words, they want to do what's forbidden. That sounds like they want to break the laws. 2) It discourages people from leaving office because they're afraid they'll be jailed once they leave.
- watwut 6y ago
  > Imagine if some of the politicians who supported Rosa Parks were indicted as co-conspirators in bus rule evasion. It so happens that not using buses was legal. In fact, even Rosa Parks was technically in the legal right to stay sit there - not that anyone cared (including her). But, back then, being arrested or beaten was pretty normal for blacks when sitting in wrong place or refusing to stand. Black political players included - like Rosa Parks herself.
fmajid 6y ago
Class solidarity between criminals and would-be criminals.
adolph 6y ago
From my point of view the root problem is "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" It is often difficult to evaluate the veracity of claims of one custodian about another. In the US the relatively short terms of office mean that the evaluation is performed by voters on a regular schedule and the loose coupling of legal directives to actual population behavior means that a large component of cooperation is based on the prestige of the director. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%...
aphextron 6y ago
>What reason? Democracy is a tenuous proposition. It requires an overwhelming majority of the population to buy into the legitimacy of a government, and remain loyal to its' institutions. There's a reason Lincoln ordered not a single Confederate general or politician to be hung after the civil war. The long term strength of the union takes precedent over short term political vendettas.
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> There's a reason we've never done it in the US, and it's not for any lack of corruption. What reason?

by kowlo 6y ago

> There's a reason we've never done it in the US, and it's not for any lack of corruption. What reason?

There are several I can think of off hand. 1) Political debate can be thwarted by legal charges. Imagine if some of the politicians who supported Rosa Parks were indicted as co-conspirators in bus rule evasion. It's kind of a silly idea, but only because of tradition. The reality is that many people pushing for political change are asking for legal relief from laws. In other words, they want to do what's forbidden. That sounds like they want to break the laws. 2) It discourages people from leaving office because they're afraid they'll be jailed once they leave.

watwut 6y ago
> Imagine if some of the politicians who supported Rosa Parks were indicted as co-conspirators in bus rule evasion. It so happens that not using buses was legal. In fact, even Rosa Parks was technically in the legal right to stay sit there - not that anyone cared (including her). But, back then, being arrested or beaten was pretty normal for blacks when sitting in wrong place or refusing to stand. Black political players included - like Rosa Parks herself.

fmajid 6y ago

Class solidarity between criminals and would-be criminals.

adolph 6y ago

From my point of view the root problem is "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" It is often difficult to evaluate the veracity of claims of one custodian about another. In the US the relatively short terms of office mean that the evaluation is performed by voters on a regular schedule and the loose coupling of legal directives to actual population behavior means that a large component of cooperation is based on the prestige of the director. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%...

aphextron 6y ago

>What reason? Democracy is a tenuous proposition. It requires an overwhelming majority of the population to buy into the legitimacy of a government, and remain loyal to its' institutions. There's a reason Lincoln ordered not a single Confederate general or politician to be hung after the civil war. The long term strength of the union takes precedent over short term political vendettas.

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