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Those are good things. We don’t want 12-14 billion humans. The biosphere is already under enormous stress. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11018 https:/

Those are good things. We don’t want 12-14 billion humans. The biosphere is already under enormous stress. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11018 https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11018

clarkmoody 6y ago
Who is "we" and how do "we" get to decide how many humans there should be?
- OrbitRock 6y ago
  No one is forcing anybody. It’s more just sharing things like birth control technology and education. This whole discussion is actually a sort of win-win scenario, because what proves to lower birth rates more effectively than anything is improved regional health, education, and wealth, so helping along those factors is the biggest impact. https://fs.blog/2016/04/hans-rosling-population-growth/ https://fs.blog/2016/04/hans-rosling-population-growth/
  - _iyig 6y ago
    China has forcibly implemented strict birth control policy for decades. They're also forcibly sterilizing ethnic minority populations, Uyghurs in particular: https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/china-xinjiang-prison-state-uighur-detention-camps-prisoner-testimony https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/china-xin...
    - ravi-delia 6y ago
      Ok yes, some people are forcing people. Clearly the person you responded to meant that they, and most people concerned about overpopulation, don't want to force anyone.
      - arduanika 6y ago
        No true Scotsman is forcing any other true Scotsman.
        ravi-delia 6y ago
        "I think that increasing education and birth control will decrease birth rates." "But haven't you considered that forcing people not to reproduce is horrible?" "Who said anything about forcing? I'm not advocating for forcing anyone?" "Hah! But in fact people are being forced!" "Well yeah, lots of bad things are happening. That doesn't have a whole lot to do with available birth control and high income." "No TRUE Scotsman!"
slibhb 6y ago
The UN has predicted that population will be stable around 10-12 billion by 2100. There is no reason to think the planet can't support that. The places where the population is still growing don't pay the slightest attention to the anti-natalist stuff linked above. Population is already stable or declining in places where people care about that stuff.

Those are good things. We don’t want 12-14 billion humans. The biosphere is already under enormous stress. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11018 https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11018

clarkmoody 6y ago

Who is "we" and how do "we" get to decide how many humans there should be?

OrbitRock 6y ago
No one is forcing anybody. It’s more just sharing things like birth control technology and education. This whole discussion is actually a sort of win-win scenario, because what proves to lower birth rates more effectively than anything is improved regional health, education, and wealth, so helping along those factors is the biggest impact. https://fs.blog/2016/04/hans-rosling-population-growth/ https://fs.blog/2016/04/hans-rosling-population-growth/
- _iyig 6y ago
  China has forcibly implemented strict birth control policy for decades. They're also forcibly sterilizing ethnic minority populations, Uyghurs in particular: https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/china-xinjiang-prison-state-uighur-detention-camps-prisoner-testimony https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/china-xin...
  - ravi-delia 6y ago
    Ok yes, some people are forcing people. Clearly the person you responded to meant that they, and most people concerned about overpopulation, don't want to force anyone.
    - arduanika 6y ago
      No true Scotsman is forcing any other true Scotsman.
      - ravi-delia 6y ago
        "I think that increasing education and birth control will decrease birth rates." "But haven't you considered that forcing people not to reproduce is horrible?" "Who said anything about forcing? I'm not advocating for forcing anyone?" "Hah! But in fact people are being forced!" "Well yeah, lots of bad things are happening. That doesn't have a whole lot to do with available birth control and high income." "No TRUE Scotsman!"

slibhb 6y ago

The UN has predicted that population will be stable around 10-12 billion by 2100. There is no reason to think the planet can't support that. The places where the population is still growing don't pay the slightest attention to the anti-natalist stuff linked above. Population is already stable or declining in places where people care about that stuff.