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What about a motorcycle? Cheaper and insurance not required.

PenguinCoder 6y ago
Motorcycle can't carry kids (in the US) safely, or other needs like groceries. And yes, insurance is still required.
sudosysgen 6y ago
Also, you can use special lanes and in California lane split. If you're willing to take on the risk, and live in a sunny place, motorcycles can compete with public transport in cost.
offtop5 6y ago
I don't have much confidence in most people being able to drive a car. While motorcycles do look really cool, it's just not something most people can safely do
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  The proliferation of moped-like vehicles that exist right below the "everything beyond here is legally a motorcycle and the state makes you obtain an extra license and insure it like a car thereby providing a massive dis-incentive to not just get a car" line seems to indicate plenty of people are fine with the risks.
  - acdha 6y ago
    Fine might not be the right term: there definitely are people okay with the risk, especially given how much faster they’ll get to their destination, but given how much more expensive cars are there’s also a financial push to take a possible risk over certain financial stress.
sandworm101 6y ago
>> ... insurance not required. Where exactly is insurance not required for a motorcycle? Or do you mean moped? And it was -12c with two inches of snow on my car this morning. Anything on two wheels would be lethal. Good luck even riding a bicycle with two inches of new snow over a season's worth of compact ice.
- tangjurine 6y ago
  I thought for my state there was no need for insurance, but turns out in 2019 they started requiring it. Seattle rarely gets snow so I didn't think about weather conditions. I think a motorcycle couldn't work for your case, but some sort of one or two person on road / off road vehicle would still be cheaper than buying a car.
  - lkbm 6y ago
    In my experience, motorcycle insurance will be about a 20% the cost of car insurance, so it's still a lot cheaper. 70 mpg is also pretty nice.
lovegoblin 6y ago
I prefer to keep my insides on the inside.

Motorcycle can't carry kids (in the US) safely, or other needs like groceries. And yes, insurance is still required.

Also, you can use special lanes and in California lane split. If you're willing to take on the risk, and live in a sunny place, motorcycles can compete with public transport in cost.

offtop5 6y ago

I don't have much confidence in most people being able to drive a car. While motorcycles do look really cool, it's just not something most people can safely do

throwaway0a5e 6y ago
The proliferation of moped-like vehicles that exist right below the "everything beyond here is legally a motorcycle and the state makes you obtain an extra license and insure it like a car thereby providing a massive dis-incentive to not just get a car" line seems to indicate plenty of people are fine with the risks.
- acdha 6y ago
  Fine might not be the right term: there definitely are people okay with the risk, especially given how much faster they’ll get to their destination, but given how much more expensive cars are there’s also a financial push to take a possible risk over certain financial stress.

sandworm101 6y ago

>> ... insurance not required. Where exactly is insurance not required for a motorcycle? Or do you mean moped? And it was -12c with two inches of snow on my car this morning. Anything on two wheels would be lethal. Good luck even riding a bicycle with two inches of new snow over a season's worth of compact ice.

tangjurine 6y ago
I thought for my state there was no need for insurance, but turns out in 2019 they started requiring it. Seattle rarely gets snow so I didn't think about weather conditions. I think a motorcycle couldn't work for your case, but some sort of one or two person on road / off road vehicle would still be cheaper than buying a car.
- lkbm 6y ago
  In my experience, motorcycle insurance will be about a 20% the cost of car insurance, so it's still a lot cheaper. 70 mpg is also pretty nice.

lovegoblin 6y ago

I prefer to keep my insides on the inside.