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The footage from the HK protests were and still are deeply moving. It is hard to ignore the gravity of the situation and easy to empathize with the people just

by rocgf 6y ago

The footage from the HK protests were and still are deeply moving. It is hard to ignore the gravity of the situation and easy to empathize with the people just fighting for their freedom. With that said, I feel like we have to be objective about this. Was there any doubt that this will happen? It's hard to see how any country could intervene given that Hong Kong is rightfully China's territory.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
> It's hard to see how any country could intervene given that Hong Kong is rightfully China's territory. would we say this (that ... "it belongs rightfully to" ...) if HK would be geographically situated just outside DPRK? The idea that human rights abuses can be justified because they're done by a nation to its own people is an example of doublespeak/doublethink in action. How can this be morally OK? The way to deal with China is to isolate it with sanctions on individuals and to keep their crimes correctly reported in the news. Make them "lose face" and make anyone in the West lose face too who condones such human rights abuses. The "only" problem with it: anything the West does will be hypocrisy, thanks to decades of failure, racism, war-mongering and general incompetence in US/EU foreign policy in dealing with the CCP.
- rocgf 6y ago
  As I said before, I am deeply troubled by what is happening in HK. I don't like China one bit and I would be so incredibly happy if it became a democracy. If you look at this through the lens of morality, it is obvious that there should be a tougher stance on what is happening in Hong Kong, and not just Hong Kong. I was replying to the original post directly, where the wording was "I can't believe the world watched as a democratic city turned into totalitarianism". Hong Kong is a region in China, whether we want it or not, regardless of its history and the feelings of its people. China did not invade some independent nation and started to push totalitarianism down its throat, they just did it in their own country. Whether we like it or not, the world is divided into countries and those countries govern as they please.

by rocgf 6y ago

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

> It's hard to see how any country could intervene given that Hong Kong is rightfully China's territory. would we say this (that ... "it belongs rightfully to" ...) if HK would be geographically situated just outside DPRK? The idea that human rights abuses can be justified because they're done by a nation to its own people is an example of doublespeak/doublethink in action. How can this be morally OK? The way to deal with China is to isolate it with sanctions on individuals and to keep their crimes correctly reported in the news. Make them "lose face" and make anyone in the West lose face too who condones such human rights abuses. The "only" problem with it: anything the West does will be hypocrisy, thanks to decades of failure, racism, war-mongering and general incompetence in US/EU foreign policy in dealing with the CCP.

rocgf 6y ago
As I said before, I am deeply troubled by what is happening in HK. I don't like China one bit and I would be so incredibly happy if it became a democracy. If you look at this through the lens of morality, it is obvious that there should be a tougher stance on what is happening in Hong Kong, and not just Hong Kong. I was replying to the original post directly, where the wording was "I can't believe the world watched as a democratic city turned into totalitarianism". Hong Kong is a region in China, whether we want it or not, regardless of its history and the feelings of its people. China did not invade some independent nation and started to push totalitarianism down its throat, they just did it in their own country. Whether we like it or not, the world is divided into countries and those countries govern as they please.