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They kill less people than coal if you make a very gross average of total deaths per kWh. 30 years after the Chernobyl disaster there are two uninhabitable sub

They kill less people than coal if you make a very gross average of total deaths per kWh. 30 years after the Chernobyl disaster there are two uninhabitable subdivisions of Ukraine that will require control for the rest of human history. "Average deaths" doesn't matter when the people living near nuclear power plants have to be in constant preparation for total evacuation. I agree with the parent comment in that I wouldn't trust Western countries in maintaining nuclear plants for 40 years and safely disassembling them afterwards. Luckily for us, renewables exist so we don't have to.

fsflover 6y ago
> when the people living near nuclear power plants have to be in constant preparation for total evacuation What are you talking about? Is there any serious unpredictable danger for people living near Chernobyl?
- mFixman 6y ago
  > Is there any serious unpredictable danger for people living near Chernobyl? The towns surrounding Chernobyl were completely evacuated. This can happen again. In Germany, the government of Aachen is giving iodine tablets and asked its people to prepare for an eventual nuclear catastrophe because of the nearby nuclear power plant behind the border with Belgium [1]. The nuclear power station was designed to run 30 years, but 15 years after its expiration date there's no sign the Belgian government will close it. I wouldn't trust any western government to not fall for the same "already built plant = free energy" trap the Belgian government fell into. We are better off admitting that and focusing on renewables instead of risking nuclear. https://m.dw.com/en/german-city-of-aachen-offers-iodine-tablets-amid-nuclear-fears/a-40318504 https://m.dw.com/en/german-city-of-aachen-offers-iodine-tabl...
  - fsflover 6y ago
    > The towns surrounding Chernobyl were completely evacuated. This can happen again. This is just FUD. There is no reasonable possibility of that.
    - mFixman 6y ago
      I might be missing some information, but why not? The Chernobyl disaster happened on a world power with strong scientific and engineering capabilities. I don't see how a power plant that's 15 years over expiration date like Tihange couldn't be a couple of serious mistakes away from a similar catastrophic meltdown. This is not "Tihange will definitely melt down". This is "there's a small chance Tihange might melt down and render a significant part of Belgium and Germany uninhabitable like parts of Ukraine and Belarus are uninhabitable now" which to me is unacceptable.
      - fsflover 6y ago
        We know pretty well what happened with Cehrnobyl and why and the current state of the reactor. There is no magic there, just science.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
    Did they do that when they played with the https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVR_(J%C3%BClich) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVR_(J%C3%BClich) ?

fsflover 6y ago

> when the people living near nuclear power plants have to be in constant preparation for total evacuation What are you talking about? Is there any serious unpredictable danger for people living near Chernobyl?

mFixman 6y ago
> Is there any serious unpredictable danger for people living near Chernobyl? The towns surrounding Chernobyl were completely evacuated. This can happen again. In Germany, the government of Aachen is giving iodine tablets and asked its people to prepare for an eventual nuclear catastrophe because of the nearby nuclear power plant behind the border with Belgium [1]. The nuclear power station was designed to run 30 years, but 15 years after its expiration date there's no sign the Belgian government will close it. I wouldn't trust any western government to not fall for the same "already built plant = free energy" trap the Belgian government fell into. We are better off admitting that and focusing on renewables instead of risking nuclear. https://m.dw.com/en/german-city-of-aachen-offers-iodine-tablets-amid-nuclear-fears/a-40318504 https://m.dw.com/en/german-city-of-aachen-offers-iodine-tabl...
- fsflover 6y ago
  > The towns surrounding Chernobyl were completely evacuated. This can happen again. This is just FUD. There is no reasonable possibility of that.
  - mFixman 6y ago
    I might be missing some information, but why not? The Chernobyl disaster happened on a world power with strong scientific and engineering capabilities. I don't see how a power plant that's 15 years over expiration date like Tihange couldn't be a couple of serious mistakes away from a similar catastrophic meltdown. This is not "Tihange will definitely melt down". This is "there's a small chance Tihange might melt down and render a significant part of Belgium and Germany uninhabitable like parts of Ukraine and Belarus are uninhabitable now" which to me is unacceptable.
    - fsflover 6y ago
      We know pretty well what happened with Cehrnobyl and why and the current state of the reactor. There is no magic there, just science.
- LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
  Did they do that when they played with the https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVR_(J%C3%BClich) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVR_(J%C3%BClich) ?