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How do I make newer Unity games backwards-compatible with OS X 10.9 “Mavericks”?

69 points by arm 6y ago

ogre_codes 6y ago
I always find it odd when people answer their own questions, but this looks even odder than that. It appears that this person created the question with no intention of leaving it for someone to answer. They simply answered it themselves immediately after. It's a neat solution, but it also seems like someone is trying to game StackExchange (and now Hacker News) to boost their rep with I really don't care for.
- jdxcode 6y ago
  I find it obnoxious to waste time on an OS from 2013, but asking-to-answer is accepted behavior on stackoverflow: https://stackoverflow.blog/2011/07/01/its-ok-to-ask-and-answer-your-own-questions/ https://stackoverflow.blog/2011/07/01/its-ok-to-ask-and-answ...
  - mjevans 6y ago
    I find it morally OK if you ask, eventually learn without someone else having answered the question, and return to provide a valid answer / conclusion to 'the story'.
    - garmaine 6y ago
      Sure, in general. But stack overflow's UI and culture explicitly allow for ask-and-answer all at once. It makes sense since it is not just a transitory question answering service, but a permanent record of questions-asked-and-answered. If you had a difficult problem, didn't find a solution on stack overflow, but did figure it out before you had a chance to write up a question, put it up (with the answer) anyway. It might be useful to someone else.
      - wtallis 6y ago
        > It makes sense since it is not just a transitory question answering service, but a permanent record of questions-asked-and-answered. This is the key thing that newcomers to Stack Overflow don't realize. Not understanding this distinction between a Q&A forum vs a Q&A archive is why people get so pissed at SO being quick to close off-topic and duplicate questions.
        Shared404 6y ago
        Also that SO is really bad about making sure questions are actually duplicates, and not just vaguely similar.
        foobar33333 6y ago
        The thing that conflicts with this goal is that they require that you show proof of previous failed attempts. Why is this at all useful for creating an archive of answers? There have been times where I can perfectly write up a problem and the expected inputs/outputs but it gets closed because I didn't paste in some non functional code with it.
        wtallis 6y ago
        > they require that you show proof of previous failed attempts. That's not exactly accurate with regards to the current options for voting to close a question. But the general reasoning here is that it's an anti-spam measure. It filters out low-effort questions (eg. homework questions) and forces you to be specific and concrete enough with your question for the question to be suitable for SO. Simply describing the task and providing sample inputs and outputs tends to be too open-ended and often strays into the territory of asking for someone else to write all the code for you, rather than help you solve a specific problem with your code.
        junon 6y ago
        No, we want to see that you're actually working on it yourself and not just asking others to do work for you. There's a huge difference.
- ouid 6y ago
  Isn't that behavior explicitly allowed on stackkexchange? Why wouldn't stackexchange want people to do that? Is it not a net positive to have someone ask and answer a question that people find useful?
  - mdoms 6y ago
    It's explicitly encouraged, and why not? It adds value to the website. Not sure why you'd be concerned about people trying to "game" Stack Exchange - the founders have spoken publicly at length about the intention to gamify the site. This is the exact kind of behaviour they intended for.
    - foobar33333 6y ago
      Yep, I do it semi regularly myself. If I spend a bunch of time finding the answer to something that should be easy to access knowledge, I make a question and answer it. The questions page has a specific checkbox for doing this.
  - anoncake 6y ago
    There is in fact a checkbox when you ask a question that lets you post the answer at the same time.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    Just struck me as odd. I'd seen where people came back later and answered their own question, but never like this. Live and learn.
- stcredzero 6y ago
  but it also seems like someone is trying to game StackExchange (and now Hacker News) to boost their rep with I really don't care for. It's not that one is late to the party. More like someone didn't know the parties were happening all the time, and finds out about them in retrospect when it comes up in conversation several years later.
- yarcob 6y ago
  I've asked and answered my own questions on StackOverflow before. It's great for documenting things in a way that lets others profit from your knowledge.
  - danielbarla 6y ago
    Indeed, and I've found that for trickier niche questions, it's not uncommon for there to be 3-4 answers which completely miss the boat, but to inspire you to dig even further. It does feel somehow wrong to snub all those who answered in good faith, but sometimes it's the best thing to do.
- anoncake 6y ago
  How is this gaming SE? The site is ultimately a collection of questions and matching answers, not a forum for conversations.
- pharmakom 6y ago
  I do this to document my findings in a place where Google will index it. I'm always forgetting things I've figured out in the past! I also like to help others.
- jaimex2 6y ago
  yep, just flag the post and move on.
- jcelerier 6y ago
  > I always find it odd when people answer their own questions, it happened to me more than once to get stuck on something for a couple hours without a solution in sight, start typing the SO question, think of something and tada !
- TonyTrapp 6y ago
  Lots of "I think this okay" type of answers here. Here's the authoritative answer: > Can I answer my own question? > Yes! Stack Exchange has always explicitly encouraged users to answer their own questions. If you have a question that you already know the answer to, and you would like to document that knowledge in public so that others (including yourself) can find it later, it's perfectly okay to ask and answer your own question on a Stack Exchange site. From https://stackoverflow.com/help/self-answer https://stackoverflow.com/help/self-answer
- junon 6y ago
  This is explicitly allowed and by design. There's a checkbox for doing it right when you create the question, which allows you to enable an answer box to submit an answer directly with the question.
dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
> Mac OS X 10.9 (aka the last good version of macOS) I think the author is exaggerating here. Mojave is quite fine now, and relatively well supported. I still can't switch to Catalina on all my macOS devices though due to various bugs and incompatibilities.
- OskarS 6y ago
  Yeah, I thought that was a really obnoxious thing to say. Really off-putting.
- vintagedave 6y ago
  >> Mac OS X 10.9 (aka the last good version of macOS) >I think the author is exaggerating here. Mojave is quite fine now, and relatively well supported. It depends _why_ the author thinks 10.9 was the last good version of macOS. You seem to be referring to patches or stability. I suspect the author is referring to the UI. 10.9 Mavericks was the last one with skeumorphic conceptual design, and which used the Aqua look (gel buttons etc) rather than flat design. 10.10 introduced flat UI and removed most skeumorphic interaction. I have to admit I'm sympathetic to their viewpoint. From both a UI and a UX point of view, I deeply miss older macOS.

69 points by arm 6y ago

I always find it odd when people answer their own questions, but this looks even odder than that. It appears that this person created the question with no intention of leaving it for someone to answer. They simply answered it themselves immediately after. It's a neat solution, but it also seems like someone is trying to game StackExchange (and now Hacker News) to boost their rep with I really don't care for.

jdxcode 6y ago
I find it obnoxious to waste time on an OS from 2013, but asking-to-answer is accepted behavior on stackoverflow: https://stackoverflow.blog/2011/07/01/its-ok-to-ask-and-answer-your-own-questions/ https://stackoverflow.blog/2011/07/01/its-ok-to-ask-and-answ...
- mjevans 6y ago
  I find it morally OK if you ask, eventually learn without someone else having answered the question, and return to provide a valid answer / conclusion to 'the story'.
  - garmaine 6y ago
    Sure, in general. But stack overflow's UI and culture explicitly allow for ask-and-answer all at once. It makes sense since it is not just a transitory question answering service, but a permanent record of questions-asked-and-answered. If you had a difficult problem, didn't find a solution on stack overflow, but did figure it out before you had a chance to write up a question, put it up (with the answer) anyway. It might be useful to someone else.
    - wtallis 6y ago
      > It makes sense since it is not just a transitory question answering service, but a permanent record of questions-asked-and-answered. This is the key thing that newcomers to Stack Overflow don't realize. Not understanding this distinction between a Q&A forum vs a Q&A archive is why people get so pissed at SO being quick to close off-topic and duplicate questions.
      - Shared404 6y ago
        Also that SO is really bad about making sure questions are actually duplicates, and not just vaguely similar.
      - foobar33333 6y ago
        The thing that conflicts with this goal is that they require that you show proof of previous failed attempts. Why is this at all useful for creating an archive of answers? There have been times where I can perfectly write up a problem and the expected inputs/outputs but it gets closed because I didn't paste in some non functional code with it.
        wtallis 6y ago
        > they require that you show proof of previous failed attempts. That's not exactly accurate with regards to the current options for voting to close a question. But the general reasoning here is that it's an anti-spam measure. It filters out low-effort questions (eg. homework questions) and forces you to be specific and concrete enough with your question for the question to be suitable for SO. Simply describing the task and providing sample inputs and outputs tends to be too open-ended and often strays into the territory of asking for someone else to write all the code for you, rather than help you solve a specific problem with your code.
        junon 6y ago
        No, we want to see that you're actually working on it yourself and not just asking others to do work for you. There's a huge difference.
ouid 6y ago
Isn't that behavior explicitly allowed on stackkexchange? Why wouldn't stackexchange want people to do that? Is it not a net positive to have someone ask and answer a question that people find useful?
- mdoms 6y ago
  It's explicitly encouraged, and why not? It adds value to the website. Not sure why you'd be concerned about people trying to "game" Stack Exchange - the founders have spoken publicly at length about the intention to gamify the site. This is the exact kind of behaviour they intended for.
  - foobar33333 6y ago
    Yep, I do it semi regularly myself. If I spend a bunch of time finding the answer to something that should be easy to access knowledge, I make a question and answer it. The questions page has a specific checkbox for doing this.
- anoncake 6y ago
  There is in fact a checkbox when you ask a question that lets you post the answer at the same time.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  Just struck me as odd. I'd seen where people came back later and answered their own question, but never like this. Live and learn.
stcredzero 6y ago
but it also seems like someone is trying to game StackExchange (and now Hacker News) to boost their rep with I really don't care for. It's not that one is late to the party. More like someone didn't know the parties were happening all the time, and finds out about them in retrospect when it comes up in conversation several years later.
yarcob 6y ago
I've asked and answered my own questions on StackOverflow before. It's great for documenting things in a way that lets others profit from your knowledge.
- danielbarla 6y ago
  Indeed, and I've found that for trickier niche questions, it's not uncommon for there to be 3-4 answers which completely miss the boat, but to inspire you to dig even further. It does feel somehow wrong to snub all those who answered in good faith, but sometimes it's the best thing to do.
anoncake 6y ago
How is this gaming SE? The site is ultimately a collection of questions and matching answers, not a forum for conversations.
pharmakom 6y ago
I do this to document my findings in a place where Google will index it. I'm always forgetting things I've figured out in the past! I also like to help others.
jaimex2 6y ago
yep, just flag the post and move on.
jcelerier 6y ago
> I always find it odd when people answer their own questions, it happened to me more than once to get stuck on something for a couple hours without a solution in sight, start typing the SO question, think of something and tada !
TonyTrapp 6y ago
Lots of "I think this okay" type of answers here. Here's the authoritative answer: > Can I answer my own question? > Yes! Stack Exchange has always explicitly encouraged users to answer their own questions. If you have a question that you already know the answer to, and you would like to document that knowledge in public so that others (including yourself) can find it later, it's perfectly okay to ask and answer your own question on a Stack Exchange site. From https://stackoverflow.com/help/self-answer https://stackoverflow.com/help/self-answer
junon 6y ago
This is explicitly allowed and by design. There's a checkbox for doing it right when you create the question, which allows you to enable an answer box to submit an answer directly with the question.

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago

> Mac OS X 10.9 (aka the last good version of macOS) I think the author is exaggerating here. Mojave is quite fine now, and relatively well supported. I still can't switch to Catalina on all my macOS devices though due to various bugs and incompatibilities.

OskarS 6y ago
Yeah, I thought that was a really obnoxious thing to say. Really off-putting.
vintagedave 6y ago
>> Mac OS X 10.9 (aka the last good version of macOS) >I think the author is exaggerating here. Mojave is quite fine now, and relatively well supported. It depends _why_ the author thinks 10.9 was the last good version of macOS. You seem to be referring to patches or stability. I suspect the author is referring to the UI. 10.9 Mavericks was the last one with skeumorphic conceptual design, and which used the Aqua look (gel buttons etc) rather than flat design. 10.10 introduced flat UI and removed most skeumorphic interaction. I have to admit I'm sympathetic to their viewpoint. From both a UI and a UX point of view, I deeply miss older macOS.