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Since he's first in line to ladle it out, I'm happy to watch Gruber eat a little claim chowder of his own, but I don't think he was being "defensive," I simply

Since he's first in line to ladle it out, I'm happy to watch Gruber eat a little claim chowder of his own, but I don't think he was being "defensive," I simply think he was mistaken. Also, the whole "claim chowder" thing as he dishes it out usually refers to sharp criticism. As in, if someone else writes that the iPad is terrible because you'll never be able to sync it over wireless. That's when you eat the chowder, because you were busy telling other people what they cannot do. In this case, Gruber seems to have simply misprognosticated how quickly wireless would become good enough to let go of the PC for a lot of iPad and iPhone users. I don't see that is being in the same realm as criticizing Apple or a competitor. The canonical example of Gruber dishing out the claim chowder is probably this line: Guess What? They Just Walked In. -------------------------------- Speaking of Palm CEO Ed Colligan, now’s a good time to recall his comments from last November, regarding the prospects of Apple’s then-only-rumored entry into the mobile phone market: > Colligan laughed off the idea that any company — > including the wildly popular Apple Computer — > could easily win customers in the finicky smart-phone > sector. > “We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here > figuring out how to make a decent phone,” he said. > “PC guys are not going to just figure this out. > They’re not going to just walk in.” http://daringfireball.net/linked/2007/08/24/colligan http://daringfireball.net/linked/2007/08/24/colligan Gruber's remarks about the need for a PC are not even remotely of the same tone as Ed Colligan's contempt for Apple's ability to build a phone.

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napierzaza 15y ago
I don't know about that. Firstly, Gruber recently pulled up "claim chowder" for someone in 2001 who thought that Apple had a tough time to rebuild their company and would fail. Is that such a crazy idea back in 2001? It's only with the bias of what happened since that might make you believe it was crazy. It wasn't crazy though, it was wrong, but not crazy. edit: I can't find the Gates one changed my example. I like the real claim chowder by Gruber, not so much the fake stuff. And he did say, in April 2011, that wifi was too slow for syncing. That's not very long ago, nothing has changed for wifi since then. So he is guilty of it right? Secondly, it's not just wifi, we're talking about ISPs and broadband syncing to Apple's servers. So that's even more elaborate than Gruber thought was impossible. Edit: example from 2001 http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/05/20/alsin-claim-chowder http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/05/20/alsin-claim-chow...
- tptacek 15y ago
  In 2001, this analyst declared "The game is effectively over", strongly advising his readers not to buy AAPL. Here is what happened to people who ignored that advice: http://j.mp/iVrc6o http://j.mp/iVrc6o Presumably because Circuit City was one of Jim Collin's "Good to Great" companies, this same analyst was telling people to buy Circuit City. I'd show you that graph but for some reason I can't find it. Here's an approximation: http://j.mp/mj77CD http://j.mp/mj77CD Message board geeks get a pass for doubting Apple in 2001, sure. But stock market analysts who give ludicrously bad advice deserve all the chowder Gruber can dump on them. Bad example.
  - napierzaza 15y ago
    That's still based on what happened. Apple was declining for a long time. He was surely wrong, and if you sold your stock then you lost because of him. Stock market speculation is already BS because so much is random. I think "claim chowder" is crap if you don't call it fake in the moment. Going back with the bias of what happened and see who was wrong isn't particularly titillating. Gruber has done a lot of good CC, but this isn't one of them.
Anechoic 15y ago
> Since he's first in line to ladle it out, I'm happy to watch Gruber eat a little claim chowder of his own FTR, he's called claim chowder on himself before: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/05/19/kindle-claim-chowders http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/05/19/kindle-claim-cho...

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napierzaza 15y ago

I don't know about that. Firstly, Gruber recently pulled up "claim chowder" for someone in 2001 who thought that Apple had a tough time to rebuild their company and would fail. Is that such a crazy idea back in 2001? It's only with the bias of what happened since that might make you believe it was crazy. It wasn't crazy though, it was wrong, but not crazy. edit: I can't find the Gates one changed my example. I like the real claim chowder by Gruber, not so much the fake stuff. And he did say, in April 2011, that wifi was too slow for syncing. That's not very long ago, nothing has changed for wifi since then. So he is guilty of it right? Secondly, it's not just wifi, we're talking about ISPs and broadband syncing to Apple's servers. So that's even more elaborate than Gruber thought was impossible. Edit: example from 2001 http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/05/20/alsin-claim-chowder http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/05/20/alsin-claim-chow...

tptacek 15y ago
In 2001, this analyst declared "The game is effectively over", strongly advising his readers not to buy AAPL. Here is what happened to people who ignored that advice: http://j.mp/iVrc6o http://j.mp/iVrc6o Presumably because Circuit City was one of Jim Collin's "Good to Great" companies, this same analyst was telling people to buy Circuit City. I'd show you that graph but for some reason I can't find it. Here's an approximation: http://j.mp/mj77CD http://j.mp/mj77CD Message board geeks get a pass for doubting Apple in 2001, sure. But stock market analysts who give ludicrously bad advice deserve all the chowder Gruber can dump on them. Bad example.
- napierzaza 15y ago
  That's still based on what happened. Apple was declining for a long time. He was surely wrong, and if you sold your stock then you lost because of him. Stock market speculation is already BS because so much is random. I think "claim chowder" is crap if you don't call it fake in the moment. Going back with the bias of what happened and see who was wrong isn't particularly titillating. Gruber has done a lot of good CC, but this isn't one of them.

Anechoic 15y ago

> Since he's first in line to ladle it out, I'm happy to watch Gruber eat a little claim chowder of his own FTR, he's called claim chowder on himself before: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/05/19/kindle-claim-chowders http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/05/19/kindle-claim-cho...