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I'm just starting to forge documents for this garbage. School records? Easy, download them, change my address to one a few miles away in the same city, change a

I'm just starting to forge documents for this garbage. School records? Easy, download them, change my address to one a few miles away in the same city, change a few numbers of my SSN, etc. Same goes for utility bills, financial records, etc. Fuck the data miners. The isn't even criminal to do because I'm not defrauding anyone. The address is still one in my city. They never do any actual verification so it always works.

bombcar 6y ago
What’s even more asinine is that the big credit burros already provided identity as a service — I guess they don’t want to pay for that.
- edoceo 6y ago
  Those jackasses¡
- Spooky23 6y ago
  That costs a lot of money. “They” don’t pay — “you” as the customer pay.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  This service is fundamentally broken. You call them on the phone and someone who seems to be located in an overseas call center asks you about your credit history. If the information on his screen does not match the information you provide, you fail identity verification. If you try to escalate they instruct you to photocopy your driver license and social security card and mail them the photocopy. Source, tried to get electricity in Tampa, Florida, after leaving the military. Was denied because TECO only was willing to “verify” my identity through Experian, and Experian <see above>.
Turing_Machine 6y ago
I like to use the names of famous serial killers and mass murderers when I don't feel like giving my real one. So far, no one has called me on it.
thih9 6y ago
> I'm just starting to forge documents (...) The isn't even criminal to do because I'm not defrauding anyone Some might see sending forged documents as fraud; you'd intentionally deceive an organisation for personal gain, i.e. more privacy. (TINLA) Just to be clear, I also want more privacy; at the same time I'd prefer a different approach, e.g. shaming plus boycotting.
- kstrauser 6y ago
  More practically, if you get caught then your kid probably gets banned from the league. This might be pretty hard to explain to a younger child in terms that would make them appreciate that you're doing it for the right reasons.
  - water8 6y ago
    Do you think little league has the investigative powers of the FBI or something?
    - kstrauser 6y ago
      This can and does come up when, say, you have a team for 10 year olds and one of the kids looks like they drove themselves to practice. A coach can challenge the other team’s paperwork, in which case the challenged coach digs it out and everyone looks at the evidence. If it seems to be faked and the umpire agrees, the cheating team forfeits, and the kid’s parents (and possibly the coach if they were in on it) can be banned. No, Little League doesn’t do a top secret clearance check on every player. Individual players may be checked if it’s believed they’re cheating though.
- alisonkisk 6y ago
  That's not what fraud means. If that were fraud, then any lie to anyone would be fraud.
  - thih9 6y ago
    > If that were fraud, then any lie to anyone would be fraud. Not really, unintentional and/or harmless lies wouldn't be fraud. > That's not what fraud means. Could you elaborate? What does fraud mean according to you?
hammock 6y ago
An alternative is to redact any unnecessary information. More people should know/do this. Proof of residency should only require state or zip code. Send in a DL with everything but your name and state blacked out. If they push back, then they will be forced to justify why they need the other info. Remember they rely on your league fees to exist. Much better to push back directly than to cry foul/play a victim/complain. Sovereign individual and all that. Yet I see a lot of the latter on this forum.
- kstrauser 6y ago
  I think it's at least as useful to cry foul so that more people learn about it than to expect everyone to start appropriately redacting their information. You and I might do that, but a huge number of people wouldn't bother.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  I was automatically issued a New York license to an out of state address once. They aren't foolproof documents.
- pessimizer 6y ago
  Much better to not push back directly and to cry foul/play a victim/complain anonymously unless you want to draw attention to yourself, get banned, and make getting unbanned a second part-time job. > they will be forced to justify why they need the other info. This is a fantasy. Pushing to this extent is not putting your kid into Little League, it's making arguing with Little League a lifestyle and personality. You really have to desire the warm glow of finding out that they've changed their policies long after your kid had to find something else to do because he/she never spent a second in Little League.
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felipellrocha 6y ago
This sounds like a good problem to solve. Give me your address, and if someone asks, and you are ok with, i can verify you live in said (country/county/city) but not tell the exact location. Obviously, there is a problem of trust in the first place to solve, but i fee like this sort of data escrow could be useful to a lot of people.
- _underfl0w_ 6y ago
  Useful as well to overreaching governments and law enforcement. Certainly not the type of thing you could legally inform your customers of, either.
- xenihn 6y ago
  Dat escrow -- this is basically what background check orgs providers, right? Assuming you don't need to provide something like your social.

bombcar 6y ago

What’s even more asinine is that the big credit burros already provided identity as a service — I guess they don’t want to pay for that.

edoceo 6y ago
Those jackasses¡
Spooky23 6y ago
That costs a lot of money. “They” don’t pay — “you” as the customer pay.
chordalkeyboard 6y ago
This service is fundamentally broken. You call them on the phone and someone who seems to be located in an overseas call center asks you about your credit history. If the information on his screen does not match the information you provide, you fail identity verification. If you try to escalate they instruct you to photocopy your driver license and social security card and mail them the photocopy. Source, tried to get electricity in Tampa, Florida, after leaving the military. Was denied because TECO only was willing to “verify” my identity through Experian, and Experian <see above>.

Turing_Machine 6y ago

I like to use the names of famous serial killers and mass murderers when I don't feel like giving my real one. So far, no one has called me on it.

thih9 6y ago

> I'm just starting to forge documents (...) The isn't even criminal to do because I'm not defrauding anyone Some might see sending forged documents as fraud; you'd intentionally deceive an organisation for personal gain, i.e. more privacy. (TINLA) Just to be clear, I also want more privacy; at the same time I'd prefer a different approach, e.g. shaming plus boycotting.

kstrauser 6y ago
More practically, if you get caught then your kid probably gets banned from the league. This might be pretty hard to explain to a younger child in terms that would make them appreciate that you're doing it for the right reasons.
- water8 6y ago
  Do you think little league has the investigative powers of the FBI or something?
  - kstrauser 6y ago
    This can and does come up when, say, you have a team for 10 year olds and one of the kids looks like they drove themselves to practice. A coach can challenge the other team’s paperwork, in which case the challenged coach digs it out and everyone looks at the evidence. If it seems to be faked and the umpire agrees, the cheating team forfeits, and the kid’s parents (and possibly the coach if they were in on it) can be banned. No, Little League doesn’t do a top secret clearance check on every player. Individual players may be checked if it’s believed they’re cheating though.
alisonkisk 6y ago
That's not what fraud means. If that were fraud, then any lie to anyone would be fraud.
- thih9 6y ago
  > If that were fraud, then any lie to anyone would be fraud. Not really, unintentional and/or harmless lies wouldn't be fraud. > That's not what fraud means. Could you elaborate? What does fraud mean according to you?

hammock 6y ago

An alternative is to redact any unnecessary information. More people should know/do this. Proof of residency should only require state or zip code. Send in a DL with everything but your name and state blacked out. If they push back, then they will be forced to justify why they need the other info. Remember they rely on your league fees to exist. Much better to push back directly than to cry foul/play a victim/complain. Sovereign individual and all that. Yet I see a lot of the latter on this forum.

kstrauser 6y ago
I think it's at least as useful to cry foul so that more people learn about it than to expect everyone to start appropriately redacting their information. You and I might do that, but a huge number of people wouldn't bother.
kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
I was automatically issued a New York license to an out of state address once. They aren't foolproof documents.
pessimizer 6y ago
Much better to not push back directly and to cry foul/play a victim/complain anonymously unless you want to draw attention to yourself, get banned, and make getting unbanned a second part-time job. > they will be forced to justify why they need the other info. This is a fantasy. Pushing to this extent is not putting your kid into Little League, it's making arguing with Little League a lifestyle and personality. You really have to desire the warm glow of finding out that they've changed their policies long after your kid had to find something else to do because he/she never spent a second in Little League.
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felipellrocha 6y ago

This sounds like a good problem to solve. Give me your address, and if someone asks, and you are ok with, i can verify you live in said (country/county/city) but not tell the exact location. Obviously, there is a problem of trust in the first place to solve, but i fee like this sort of data escrow could be useful to a lot of people.

_underfl0w_ 6y ago
Useful as well to overreaching governments and law enforcement. Certainly not the type of thing you could legally inform your customers of, either.
xenihn 6y ago
Dat escrow -- this is basically what background check orgs providers, right? Assuming you don't need to provide something like your social.