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There is no evidence that there was any racism involved. I wouldn't say with 100% certainty there was no racism, but until anyone can show any evidence of racis

There is no evidence that there was any racism involved. I wouldn't say with 100% certainty there was no racism, but until anyone can show any evidence of racism I will not jump to that conclusion. There is a perfectly logical (and non-racist) reason for blacks and Hispanics to not make it into the gifted program as frequently as their white and Asian peers and that is they, in average, have lower grades. People see the outcome is disproportionate and assume racism. Instead of looking at the evidence to see why it happened they look at the outcome and try to fit their preferred narrative into it. If there is racism which causes students to have a difficult life which then causes them to do worse in school and doing worse in school means the student won't be accepted into the gifted program then I do not consider the gifted program admission to be racist. The solution should be to help those in a bad situation (regardless if it was caused by racism or something else) so anybody who is disadvantaged can be on an equal playing field and meet the requirements. There are a lot of poor white students. They likely struggle in school because of that. I don't think the solution would be to make it easier for those poor whites to make it into the gifted program just because they are poor. And yet many people would make that argument for blacks and Hispanics. Removing the gifted program because you don't like the races who make it in is racist.

jakelazaroff 6y ago
The problem is that the people who benefit from the situation are never interested in identifying and fixing the "bad situations" until things like this happen. They're fine accepting a system that privileges their own children at the expense of others, and only when their children might be affected do they become ostensible advocates for looking at the situation holistically.
- _-david-_ 6y ago
  Most people support things that aid themself or their family. I don't think that has anything to do with racism. Supporting more objective standards like grades and test results are the only fair way to determine who goes into the gifted classes. Determining gifted class placement by race is racist. Helping people in a bad situation is a different issue and should be treated as such. Even if there were no poor people, uneducated parents, single parent homes, etc we still don't know that blacks and Hispanics would make it into gifted classes at a higher rate then they are now. Whites and Asians also have those issues and they would likely do better if they didn't have to deal with them.

jakelazaroff 6y ago

The problem is that the people who benefit from the situation are never interested in identifying and fixing the "bad situations" until things like this happen. They're fine accepting a system that privileges their own children at the expense of others, and only when their children might be affected do they become ostensible advocates for looking at the situation holistically.

_-david-_ 6y ago
Most people support things that aid themself or their family. I don't think that has anything to do with racism. Supporting more objective standards like grades and test results are the only fair way to determine who goes into the gifted classes. Determining gifted class placement by race is racist. Helping people in a bad situation is a different issue and should be treated as such. Even if there were no poor people, uneducated parents, single parent homes, etc we still don't know that blacks and Hispanics would make it into gifted classes at a higher rate then they are now. Whites and Asians also have those issues and they would likely do better if they didn't have to deal with them.