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Another day, another Asian gets the raw end of the stick. "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" they said. "Reach out and grab that American dream" they also s

Another day, another Asian gets the raw end of the stick. "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" they said. "Reach out and grab that American dream" they also said. So many of us listened and found a tiny slice of success in the academia despite being systematically opposed and ridiculed... and now what? We're somehow treated in the same vein as the 'oppressor' who have been enjoying their undue systematic advantage and our success must now be supressed? We're still heavily underrepresented in Hollywood, most major sports leagues, the government, and practically most forms of leadership - yet we're finding ourselves constantly lumped in there as "whites and asians" when it's convenient for the narrative of racial inequality to construct a heart-wrenching story. Do people not see how backwards it all feels?

undefined1 6y ago
I'm genuinely curious why you're still pushing the oppressor narrative, given that you see how it's being used as a weapon to enforce equality of outcome? instead of equality of opportunity.
- ttt0 6y ago
  People blamed white supremacy for the recent unprovoked attacks on asians by black perpetrators. Cognitive dissonance became really common on that side of the political spectrum. https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-nationalism-isnt-american-minorities-biggest-problem-11614122930 https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-nationalism-isnt-american... https://archive.md/sa3fA https://archive.md/sa3fA
  - pc86 6y ago
    Correction: Cognitive dissonance becomes really common at any political extreme.
recallgavin 6y ago
and yet they still vote Democrat
tomp 6y ago
Just like you buy the propaganda that whites are “oppressors enjoying systemic advantages”, so do other people buy in the same propaganda but lump in Asians as well (i.e. “people doing better than me”).
- seankimdesign 6y ago
  The person "buying into the propaganda" in this instance is not myself, but you unfortunately. Like it or not, racism in the U.S. is real and it exists. As the majority in power, white people have and will continue to make decisions that favor those who look like themselves. I'm not saying you are racist or that you should atone for the sins of your white peers, but you pretending that racism doesn't exist doesn't mean that people of color don't experience racism on a regular basis.
  - ttt0 6y ago
    > As the majority in power, white people have and will continue to make decisions that favor those who look like themselves. Like suspending classes because they were too white? > I'm not saying you are racist or that you should atone for the sins of your white peers It's even worse, we're talking about innocent children and referring to them as "oppressors".
    - seankimdesign 6y ago
      In case it wasn't absolutely clear to you, I'm in full agreement with you on how ridiculous the decision to suspend the gifted program is. Speaking of racism in the U.S., however, nothing you say will change the dozens of firsthand experiences that I endured as a minority immigrant growing up in this land. I say this not from a place of bitterness, but from a place of sadness: I too wish racism wasn't real or as heavily perpetuated as it actually is. Working in SV almost makes me forget the shit I had to endure because it's much less visible from the ivory towers of the west coast. But my friend, racism is very real, and it is very alive. I'm not here to say whites are evil and we are noble - it's simply that being in the place of power gives you many more avenues with which to abuse. Let me say this one last time: shutting down a gifted class due to its racial make up is the wrong way to go. It's the lazy way to "establish social justice". I say this not because I believe racism isn't real - I say this because this is reverse racism. If what we want to build is a world that is accepting of all individuals regardless of their race, we should accept that racism exists and devise reasonable solutions to combat it. Punishing white kids is not the way to go, nor is denying that racism is alive.
ttt0 6y ago
So it's unjust when it happens to asian kids, but it's fair game when it happens to white kids? That feels backwards, if you ask me.
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john_moscow 6y ago
Think deeper. The American dream died in 2008. We could have let the inefficient corrupt behemoths crash under their own weight and free the market for the next wave of companies. But instead we printed more money and bailed them out. Ans we keep doing it ever since [0]. It's not about Asian, Black, Russian, Jewish or whatever. It's that if you haven't bitten a large enough chunk of the pie before 2008, you are second class and are bound to working for those who had. And when people across the society get frustrated with their lives, the racial differences is the easiest thing to spot, so it metastasizes first. U.S. is now as much "a land of opportunity" as Democratic Republic of Congo is "democratic" or People's Republic of Korea "people's". [0] https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/money-supply-m0 https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/money-supply-m0, switch to the 25Y view

undefined1 6y ago

I'm genuinely curious why you're still pushing the oppressor narrative, given that you see how it's being used as a weapon to enforce equality of outcome? instead of equality of opportunity.

ttt0 6y ago
People blamed white supremacy for the recent unprovoked attacks on asians by black perpetrators. Cognitive dissonance became really common on that side of the political spectrum. https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-nationalism-isnt-american-minorities-biggest-problem-11614122930 https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-nationalism-isnt-american... https://archive.md/sa3fA https://archive.md/sa3fA
- pc86 6y ago
  Correction: Cognitive dissonance becomes really common at any political extreme.

recallgavin 6y ago

and yet they still vote Democrat

tomp 6y ago

Just like you buy the propaganda that whites are “oppressors enjoying systemic advantages”, so do other people buy in the same propaganda but lump in Asians as well (i.e. “people doing better than me”).

seankimdesign 6y ago
The person "buying into the propaganda" in this instance is not myself, but you unfortunately. Like it or not, racism in the U.S. is real and it exists. As the majority in power, white people have and will continue to make decisions that favor those who look like themselves. I'm not saying you are racist or that you should atone for the sins of your white peers, but you pretending that racism doesn't exist doesn't mean that people of color don't experience racism on a regular basis.
- ttt0 6y ago
  > As the majority in power, white people have and will continue to make decisions that favor those who look like themselves. Like suspending classes because they were too white? > I'm not saying you are racist or that you should atone for the sins of your white peers It's even worse, we're talking about innocent children and referring to them as "oppressors".
  - seankimdesign 6y ago
    In case it wasn't absolutely clear to you, I'm in full agreement with you on how ridiculous the decision to suspend the gifted program is. Speaking of racism in the U.S., however, nothing you say will change the dozens of firsthand experiences that I endured as a minority immigrant growing up in this land. I say this not from a place of bitterness, but from a place of sadness: I too wish racism wasn't real or as heavily perpetuated as it actually is. Working in SV almost makes me forget the shit I had to endure because it's much less visible from the ivory towers of the west coast. But my friend, racism is very real, and it is very alive. I'm not here to say whites are evil and we are noble - it's simply that being in the place of power gives you many more avenues with which to abuse. Let me say this one last time: shutting down a gifted class due to its racial make up is the wrong way to go. It's the lazy way to "establish social justice". I say this not because I believe racism isn't real - I say this because this is reverse racism. If what we want to build is a world that is accepting of all individuals regardless of their race, we should accept that racism exists and devise reasonable solutions to combat it. Punishing white kids is not the way to go, nor is denying that racism is alive.

ttt0 6y ago

So it's unjust when it happens to asian kids, but it's fair game when it happens to white kids? That feels backwards, if you ask me.

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john_moscow 6y ago

Think deeper. The American dream died in 2008. We could have let the inefficient corrupt behemoths crash under their own weight and free the market for the next wave of companies. But instead we printed more money and bailed them out. Ans we keep doing it ever since [0]. It's not about Asian, Black, Russian, Jewish or whatever. It's that if you haven't bitten a large enough chunk of the pie before 2008, you are second class and are bound to working for those who had. And when people across the society get frustrated with their lives, the racial differences is the easiest thing to spot, so it metastasizes first. U.S. is now as much "a land of opportunity" as Democratic Republic of Congo is "democratic" or People's Republic of Korea "people's". [0] https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/money-supply-m0 https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/money-supply-m0, switch to the 25Y view