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Take it from their pension (and cut their budgets). Yes, that's wasted taxpayer money but I'm sure the police also view it as their own personal money.

xupybd 6y ago
What if that happened in your company? Another person's misconduct resulted in you getting your pension drained?
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  I don’t have a pension.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    Pension / retirement fund, whatever.
    - solosoyokaze 6y ago
      There's a big difference. Pensions are paid by the employer and retirement accounts are paid by the employee. Excessive benefits aside, the culture of the police is rotten and policing in the US needs to be rethought from the ground up.
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        > There's a big difference. Pensions are paid by the employer and retirement accounts are paid by the employee. You make it sound like you're paid more if you get a pension! If the company pays into a pension for or gives you the money which you then pay into a pension... guess what it's the same money just a slightly different setup. I've got a pension I pay into myself, so it doesn't need to be your employer which does it.
      - xupybd 6y ago
        Rethought from the ground up scares me a little. Yes I think some places need some fundamental changes but you don't want to try a rebuild on a system like that.
        solosoyokaze 6y ago
        Out of curiosity, what are you afraid of?
        xupybd 6y ago
        When you attempt to build something from scratch you run the risk of creating something worse than the thing you were replacing.
        solosoyokaze 6y ago
        The police/prison industrial complex in the US is the worst in the world. It would be impossible to make it worse especially since its foundation is firmly rooted in racism (policy and history). We only gain from starting from scratch.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > The police/prison industrial complex in the US is the worst in the world. It would be impossible to make it worse No, it wouldn't. It's not even, right now, the worst it's been in the US. (It may be the most controversial it's ever been, but that's because standards have evolved faster than it has, not because it has gotten worse.) It may be (but probably
        solosoyokaze 6y ago
        We have the world's largest imprisoned population, both by total number and per capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera... We have known issues with police violence and racism. We have insane police budgets and a militarized police force. We have a highly ineffective "war on drugs" that has destroyed wide swaths of our country. I don't think it's controversial to say that the US has the worst police force and prison industry on earth.
- kortilla 6y ago
  Maybe they will pay more attention to hot heads and prevent them from getting hired in the first place. > Another person's misconduct resulted in you getting your pension drained? This happens quite frequently in companies with public stock and/or profit based bonus contributions. If someone fucks up and the product kills someone, it impacts everyone’s retirement that’s based on company performance.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    > This happens quite frequently in companies with public stock and/or profit based bonus contributions. Wait there are companies with their pension funds entirely invested in... their own stock?
- danaris 6y ago
  There is fairly strong evidence of broad complicity among police officers in each other's misconduct, to the point that there are dozens of stories out there of new police officers joining some of the most prominent police forces in the country, seeing bad things happening, and trying to get them to stop—only to be told, persuaded, coerced, and threatened into shutting up or quitting.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  This literally can happen. If the company causes enough harm lawsuits can drain their coffers and cause the company to go under or nearly so and restructuring to stay afloat temporarily can harm pensions.
  - deleted 6y ago
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jaredmosley 6y ago
They’ll just increase their base pensions and budgets to calculate in the expected costs from the settlements. All this will do is destroy the budgets and pensions in one-off cases where the act is egregious enough for the cost to be 10x any expected costs.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  That’s why I also said budgets need to be cut.
souprock 6y ago
Not sure how else to make sure you saw this, but FYI there is an answer to your comment on a different HN submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26285917 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26285917

xupybd 6y ago

What if that happened in your company? Another person's misconduct resulted in you getting your pension drained?

solosoyokaze 6y ago
I don’t have a pension.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  Pension / retirement fund, whatever.
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    There's a big difference. Pensions are paid by the employer and retirement accounts are paid by the employee. Excessive benefits aside, the culture of the police is rotten and policing in the US needs to be rethought from the ground up.
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      > There's a big difference. Pensions are paid by the employer and retirement accounts are paid by the employee. You make it sound like you're paid more if you get a pension! If the company pays into a pension for or gives you the money which you then pay into a pension... guess what it's the same money just a slightly different setup. I've got a pension I pay into myself, so it doesn't need to be your employer which does it.
    - xupybd 6y ago
      Rethought from the ground up scares me a little. Yes I think some places need some fundamental changes but you don't want to try a rebuild on a system like that.
      - solosoyokaze 6y ago
        Out of curiosity, what are you afraid of?
        xupybd 6y ago
        When you attempt to build something from scratch you run the risk of creating something worse than the thing you were replacing.
        solosoyokaze 6y ago
        The police/prison industrial complex in the US is the worst in the world. It would be impossible to make it worse especially since its foundation is firmly rooted in racism (policy and history). We only gain from starting from scratch.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > The police/prison industrial complex in the US is the worst in the world. It would be impossible to make it worse No, it wouldn't. It's not even, right now, the worst it's been in the US. (It may be the most controversial it's ever been, but that's because standards have evolved faster than it has, not because it has gotten worse.) It may be (but probably
        solosoyokaze 6y ago
        We have the world's largest imprisoned population, both by total number and per capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera... We have known issues with police violence and racism. We have insane police budgets and a militarized police force. We have a highly ineffective "war on drugs" that has destroyed wide swaths of our country. I don't think it's controversial to say that the US has the worst police force and prison industry on earth.
kortilla 6y ago
Maybe they will pay more attention to hot heads and prevent them from getting hired in the first place. > Another person's misconduct resulted in you getting your pension drained? This happens quite frequently in companies with public stock and/or profit based bonus contributions. If someone fucks up and the product kills someone, it impacts everyone’s retirement that’s based on company performance.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  > This happens quite frequently in companies with public stock and/or profit based bonus contributions. Wait there are companies with their pension funds entirely invested in... their own stock?
danaris 6y ago
There is fairly strong evidence of broad complicity among police officers in each other's misconduct, to the point that there are dozens of stories out there of new police officers joining some of the most prominent police forces in the country, seeing bad things happening, and trying to get them to stop—only to be told, persuaded, coerced, and threatened into shutting up or quitting.
michaelmrose 6y ago
This literally can happen. If the company causes enough harm lawsuits can drain their coffers and cause the company to go under or nearly so and restructuring to stay afloat temporarily can harm pensions.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]

jaredmosley 6y ago

They’ll just increase their base pensions and budgets to calculate in the expected costs from the settlements. All this will do is destroy the budgets and pensions in one-off cases where the act is egregious enough for the cost to be 10x any expected costs.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
That’s why I also said budgets need to be cut.

souprock 6y ago

Not sure how else to make sure you saw this, but FYI there is an answer to your comment on a different HN submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26285917 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26285917