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NVIDIA is fighting against it while pushing their own mining products: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/02/18/geforce-cmp/ https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/

NVIDIA is fighting against it while pushing their own mining products: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/02/18/geforce-cmp/ https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/02/18/geforce-cmp/

suifbwish 6y ago
Unless they make the other GPUs less capable of mining or the mining hardware reall cheap no one cares
- stu2b50 6y ago
  They did make the other GPUs less capable of mining.
  - cwhiz 6y ago
    Software is easily defeated.
    - salawat 6y ago
      Not when cryptographic signature verification is built into and enforced through the hardware. See Nouveau. The can't reclock post Maxwell GPUs because their firmware blobs would have to be signed by Nvidia. Think of it as Nvidia holding back the steering wheel to a car.
      - suifbwish 6y ago
        Wouldn’t this fall under the same kind of right to modify privileges that everyone is always complaining at Apple for?
cbozeman 6y ago
They're not fighting against it at all. That's a load of horseshit and anyone familiar with both PC gaming and cryptocurrency mining knows it. Why would you divert chips that could be powering GeForce GPUs into mining cards and then also disabling the ability to mine on your gaming cards? Unless, of course, you were scared shitless about an enormous secondary market forming for 3000 series cards when you release the GTX 4000 series... Why spend $699 for a GTX 4080 when you can buy a gently used GTX 3080 for $299-$399. Decent miners know you need to undervolt and underclock for maximum watt/hash performance - in other words, these chips weren't stressed intensively for months / years - they are the equivalent of a luxury car driven by a 70 year old Grandma to and from the grocery store and the department store. I can guarantee you if NVIDIA had the capacity with Samsung to pump out a load of 3000 series cards, they'd do it, but they can't, so they're doing the next best thing - creating artificial scarcity. Once these "mining cards" are no longer profitable, they have no secondary market. They go off to the landfill, or the e-waste processor. This is about profit, pure and simple.
- duskwuff 6y ago
  > Why would you divert chips that could be powering GeForce GPUs into mining cards and then also disabling the ability to mine on your gaming cards? Because you're using parts with defects which are irrelevant to mining (e.g. faulty video output, texturing, etc).
  - belltaco 6y ago
    That's only true now since the 30 series cards are relatively new. Once the process node improves soon, the yields are going to go up, and they're going to use fully functioning parts to create mining cards. It happens everytime where they first use parts with defects to create lower end GPUs or CPUs, and then yields improve so they disable the extra cores, memory and restrict frequency in firmware and drivers. There were many hacks in the past to revert these nerfs and get more functionality of higher end products for free. On one graphics card in the past, all you had to do was just flash the higher end card's bios, and it had a success rate of 75%
- Hamuko 6y ago
  >Why would you divert chips that could be powering GeForce GPUs into mining cards and then also disabling the ability to mine on your gaming cards? The current cryptomining chips are actually based on Turing (RTX 2000), not Ampere (RTX 3000). https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-repurposes-turing-silicon-cmp-crypto-mining-gpus https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-repurposes-turing-s...
  - newsclues 6y ago
    Not all, the high end is ga102 ampere

NVIDIA is fighting against it while pushing their own mining products: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/02/18/geforce-cmp/ https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/02/18/geforce-cmp/

suifbwish 6y ago

Unless they make the other GPUs less capable of mining or the mining hardware reall cheap no one cares

stu2b50 6y ago
They did make the other GPUs less capable of mining.
- cwhiz 6y ago
  Software is easily defeated.
  - salawat 6y ago
    Not when cryptographic signature verification is built into and enforced through the hardware. See Nouveau. The can't reclock post Maxwell GPUs because their firmware blobs would have to be signed by Nvidia. Think of it as Nvidia holding back the steering wheel to a car.
    - suifbwish 6y ago
      Wouldn’t this fall under the same kind of right to modify privileges that everyone is always complaining at Apple for?

cbozeman 6y ago

They're not fighting against it at all. That's a load of horseshit and anyone familiar with both PC gaming and cryptocurrency mining knows it. Why would you divert chips that could be powering GeForce GPUs into mining cards and then also disabling the ability to mine on your gaming cards? Unless, of course, you were scared shitless about an enormous secondary market forming for 3000 series cards when you release the GTX 4000 series... Why spend $699 for a GTX 4080 when you can buy a gently used GTX 3080 for $299-$399. Decent miners know you need to undervolt and underclock for maximum watt/hash performance - in other words, these chips weren't stressed intensively for months / years - they are the equivalent of a luxury car driven by a 70 year old Grandma to and from the grocery store and the department store. I can guarantee you if NVIDIA had the capacity with Samsung to pump out a load of 3000 series cards, they'd do it, but they can't, so they're doing the next best thing - creating artificial scarcity. Once these "mining cards" are no longer profitable, they have no secondary market. They go off to the landfill, or the e-waste processor. This is about profit, pure and simple.

duskwuff 6y ago
> Why would you divert chips that could be powering GeForce GPUs into mining cards and then also disabling the ability to mine on your gaming cards? Because you're using parts with defects which are irrelevant to mining (e.g. faulty video output, texturing, etc).
- belltaco 6y ago
  That's only true now since the 30 series cards are relatively new. Once the process node improves soon, the yields are going to go up, and they're going to use fully functioning parts to create mining cards. It happens everytime where they first use parts with defects to create lower end GPUs or CPUs, and then yields improve so they disable the extra cores, memory and restrict frequency in firmware and drivers. There were many hacks in the past to revert these nerfs and get more functionality of higher end products for free. On one graphics card in the past, all you had to do was just flash the higher end card's bios, and it had a success rate of 75%
Hamuko 6y ago
>Why would you divert chips that could be powering GeForce GPUs into mining cards and then also disabling the ability to mine on your gaming cards? The current cryptomining chips are actually based on Turing (RTX 2000), not Ampere (RTX 3000). https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-repurposes-turing-silicon-cmp-crypto-mining-gpus https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-repurposes-turing-s...
- newsclues 6y ago
  Not all, the high end is ga102 ampere