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My personal anecdote is the opposite of yours: it was easy for me to convert people to Signal. Concerning your edit: I thought it was a pretty established part
by krastanov 6y ago
My personal anecdote is the opposite of yours: it was easy for me to convert people to Signal.
Concerning your edit: I thought it was a pretty established part of the etiquette on HN that a downvote is used also for simple disagreement. It means "I do not agree", not "you are wrong and should be shamed".
- sagivo 6y agoI may be wrong, but comments are meant for that. Ideally when there's a disagreement, people can openly discuss it. I thought downvoting is to flag unproductive comments.
- hansvm 6y agoI had that impression too, but I just read the guidelines and can't find anything to that effect. They do say that we shouldn't be commenting about the voting though ;).
- vengefulduck 6y agoMaybe on Reddit, but on HN downvoting is supposed to be a moderation tool. That’s why you need a certain amount of karma to access it. It should be used to flag content that breaks the rules or is unproductive in some way. Please don’t use it like you do on Reddit.
- krastanov 6y agoYou are making a couple too many assumptions. For starters, I do not use reddit. I wrote my message above with the caveat that I am unsure ("I thought"), but you are presenting a front of certainty without backing it up with evidence (and evidence rarely exists when talking about common culture).
- dang 6y agoDownvoting for disagreement is ok on HN, and always has been - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314. What you're describing is more what flagging is for. When substantive comments get unfairly downvoted, it's good to give them a corrective upvote. People mostly tend to do that and that mostly fixes the problem. Not entirely—but close enough that there's no globally better solution that we're aware of. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=corrective%20upvote https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
- 83457 6y agoI've always thought downvote on HN was for comments that are inappropriate, incompetent/harmful, or not following rules. In other words a vote that a comment holds no value on here. Anything else is just a discussion.
- jdxcode 6y agoI’m surprised downvoting isn’t even mentioned in the guidelines. Assuming they didn’t want to mention downvoting unless you have enough karma, they could just display the clause for those with downvoting capability.
- edoceo 6y agoIt is! ""Commenting on voting is boring"" or something. Like this thread. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Near the bottom
- chungy 6y agoSometimes I upvote people despite disagreement, because good points are made regardless.
- dang 6y agoThat's even better of course.
- ximeng 6y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 here at least pg argues for downvote for disagreement
- detaro 6y agoAnd the mods have consistently upheld that since then (although quite a few people don't like it, or think that it is against the rules - but such a rule exists on reddit, not here)