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Gavin here. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26293979 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26293979 .

oblio 6y ago
You're like that person in the Adult Swim sketch about Google being a guy, where the person asking "Google" about something gets a million results showing A) and just 1 result showing B), and they decide to take B). First of all, if you're really arguing that masks affect mental health more than they save lives (https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/in-science-all-factors-matter/ https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/in-science-all-factors-matte...), I don't even know what to say. I'd really want to see the science behind this, but I suspect there isn't any real science. Common sense and knowledge of professions where people use a mask for long periods of time should be enough to debunk this. Also, this is truly abhorrent: > Of course, 161,392 people have died. (Oh whoops! It turns out that only 6% of those people died from COVID-19 alone, so it’s really 9,700 deaths) If my car breaks don't work, I ostensibly die because I'll be crushed when my car falls of a cliff, but the real cause of my death is the fact that the car breaks didn't work. For the other article, gee, I wonder if the folks behind it have an agenda to push: "Townhall: <<Conservative>> News, Cartoons, Top Stories". Anyway, do realize that this is a global phenomenon, people aren't out to get your "freedoms" and countries which are far freer than the US have realized that Covid is a real pandemic and treat it using real science, not pseudo-sience peddled by crackpots or even worse, people with a hidden agenda (usually one about making $$$). I know I won't change your mind, but please break out of your bubble. Find international sources, use Google Translate to see what they say, compare, contrast, think critically. Also, read up on your history and check out what they did to fight the 1919 flu, for example. Or SARS. Or what they're doing all over East Asia, mostly successfully. Oh, by the way, your argument makes you look even worse than you think it does. It's all about ME ME ME! "There's a tiny chance that masks hurt me" and "there's a tiny chance that masks don't help others as much as people say", so basically, "f** everyone else in that case, I don't want to be inconvenienced".
- ghoward 6y ago
  I think you misunderstand my arguments. I think the ubiquity of masks hurts everybody.
  - oblio 6y ago
    Because you can't see faces???
    - ghoward 6y ago
      Who knows? The point is that we don't know all of the ways that masks affect us.
      - oblio 6y ago
        Look, bub, you're on HN, now on /r/im14andthisisdeep. > Who knows? The point is that we don't know all of the ways that masks affect us. I don't know all the ways that the rice I ate yesterday affects me. I'm not going to stop eating rice because of this. Your argument is completely null. When there's no clear proof of something having a strong negative effect, the rational thing is to assume it doesn't have a strong negative effect. When something clearly has a strong positive effect, the rational thing is to assume it has a strong positive effect. And when we decide to do something, we balance positives with negatives. There is nothing in this world that only has positive aspects (the opposite is also true, nothing truly has only negative aspects). We never do something because it's "perfect", we do things that are "good" (more positives than negatives). We live because of water and oxygen but water can drown us and oxygen can burn us. Your logic is: "a lot of very respectable people (as well as common sense) say that this thing has a positive effect, but I don't know if it has any negative effect, so I just won't do it at all". That's no logic, it sounds more like spite. I don't say this lightly, even on the internet, but you act like a horrible person. Please reflect on your behavior and for your sake, I hope you change. Anyway, goodbye!
        ghoward 6y ago
        Rice has been with humans since basically the beginning. Masks, not so much. My argument is that we don't know if there are actually more positives than negatives with masks. Oh, and by the way, there's arsenic in rice. https://www.fda.gov/food/cfsan-risk-safety-assessments/arsenic-rice-and-rice-products-risk-assessment https://www.fda.gov/food/cfsan-risk-safety-assessments/arsen...

You're like that person in the Adult Swim sketch about Google being a guy, where the person asking "Google" about something gets a million results showing A) and just 1 result showing B), and they decide to take B). First of all, if you're really arguing that masks affect mental health more than they save lives (https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/in-science-all-factors-matter/ https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/in-science-all-factors-matte...), I don't even know what to say. I'd really want to see the science behind this, but I suspect there isn't any real science. Common sense and knowledge of professions where people use a mask for long periods of time should be enough to debunk this. Also, this is truly abhorrent: > Of course, 161,392 people have died. (Oh whoops! It turns out that only 6% of those people died from COVID-19 alone, so it’s really 9,700 deaths) If my car breaks don't work, I ostensibly die because I'll be crushed when my car falls of a cliff, but the real cause of my death is the fact that the car breaks didn't work. For the other article, gee, I wonder if the folks behind it have an agenda to push: "Townhall: <<Conservative>> News, Cartoons, Top Stories". Anyway, do realize that this is a global phenomenon, people aren't out to get your "freedoms" and countries which are far freer than the US have realized that Covid is a real pandemic and treat it using real science, not pseudo-sience peddled by crackpots or even worse, people with a hidden agenda (usually one about making $$$). I know I won't change your mind, but please break out of your bubble. Find international sources, use Google Translate to see what they say, compare, contrast, think critically. Also, read up on your history and check out what they did to fight the 1919 flu, for example. Or SARS. Or what they're doing all over East Asia, mostly successfully. Oh, by the way, your argument makes you look even worse than you think it does. It's all about ME ME ME! "There's a tiny chance that masks hurt me" and "there's a tiny chance that masks don't help others as much as people say", so basically, "f** everyone else in that case, I don't want to be inconvenienced".

ghoward 6y ago
I think you misunderstand my arguments. I think the ubiquity of masks hurts everybody.
- oblio 6y ago
  Because you can't see faces???
  - ghoward 6y ago
    Who knows? The point is that we don't know all of the ways that masks affect us.
    - oblio 6y ago
      Look, bub, you're on HN, now on /r/im14andthisisdeep. > Who knows? The point is that we don't know all of the ways that masks affect us. I don't know all the ways that the rice I ate yesterday affects me. I'm not going to stop eating rice because of this. Your argument is completely null. When there's no clear proof of something having a strong negative effect, the rational thing is to assume it doesn't have a strong negative effect. When something clearly has a strong positive effect, the rational thing is to assume it has a strong positive effect. And when we decide to do something, we balance positives with negatives. There is nothing in this world that only has positive aspects (the opposite is also true, nothing truly has only negative aspects). We never do something because it's "perfect", we do things that are "good" (more positives than negatives). We live because of water and oxygen but water can drown us and oxygen can burn us. Your logic is: "a lot of very respectable people (as well as common sense) say that this thing has a positive effect, but I don't know if it has any negative effect, so I just won't do it at all". That's no logic, it sounds more like spite. I don't say this lightly, even on the internet, but you act like a horrible person. Please reflect on your behavior and for your sake, I hope you change. Anyway, goodbye!
      - ghoward 6y ago
        Rice has been with humans since basically the beginning. Masks, not so much. My argument is that we don't know if there are actually more positives than negatives with masks. Oh, and by the way, there's arsenic in rice. https://www.fda.gov/food/cfsan-risk-safety-assessments/arsenic-rice-and-rice-products-risk-assessment https://www.fda.gov/food/cfsan-risk-safety-assessments/arsen...