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FTFY : Germans, and Europeans generally, have put the security of people of color in Africa, India, Americas and their families in jeopardy over half a thousand

FTFY : Germans, and Europeans generally, have put the security of people of color in Africa, India, Americas and their families in jeopardy over half a thousand year to democratise systems across their population to live in free and open societies that we are now able to migrate to.

sgift 6y ago
So, the revolutions in Europe (which lead to democratization) happened because of whatever happened in Africa, India and the Americas? Or what do you mean?
- mclightning 6y ago
  ...whatever happened in Africa...(tumbleweed rolls by)
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  They were a big factor in making such models sustainable and widespread, yes.
  - cblconfederate 6y ago
    All the former ottoman empire states (which revolted) were impoverished themselves Perhaps it would help, if making a historical claim, to at least reference what's the factual basis for it.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      Yes, and none of those states implemented anything anywhere close to the western model. We're not talking about general revolt. The reason why imperialism was important is because it allowed the European upper classes to persist in a position of material advantage despite decreasing their oppression of their citizens. It was certainly a strong contribution to convincing European upper classes to accept social restructure.
    - mclightning 6y ago
      You obviously have no idea about ottoman empire; why it rose to power, its tax system as oppose to byzantine empire, why christian states co-operated with ottomans... This will be my last entry under this thread. Ottoman tax system was favourable in comparison to Byzantine empire. Ottomans and ruling class of Christian states even had marriages between their families for centuries. Comparing that to the colonies of industrial era West is just fantasy. Both from time & complexity perspective. Plus the cultural/oppression perspective.

sgift 6y ago

So, the revolutions in Europe (which lead to democratization) happened because of whatever happened in Africa, India and the Americas? Or what do you mean?

mclightning 6y ago
...whatever happened in Africa...(tumbleweed rolls by)
sudosysgen 6y ago
They were a big factor in making such models sustainable and widespread, yes.
- cblconfederate 6y ago
  All the former ottoman empire states (which revolted) were impoverished themselves Perhaps it would help, if making a historical claim, to at least reference what's the factual basis for it.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Yes, and none of those states implemented anything anywhere close to the western model. We're not talking about general revolt. The reason why imperialism was important is because it allowed the European upper classes to persist in a position of material advantage despite decreasing their oppression of their citizens. It was certainly a strong contribution to convincing European upper classes to accept social restructure.
  - mclightning 6y ago
    You obviously have no idea about ottoman empire; why it rose to power, its tax system as oppose to byzantine empire, why christian states co-operated with ottomans... This will be my last entry under this thread. Ottoman tax system was favourable in comparison to Byzantine empire. Ottomans and ruling class of Christian states even had marriages between their families for centuries. Comparing that to the colonies of industrial era West is just fantasy. Both from time & complexity perspective. Plus the cultural/oppression perspective.