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This shallow understanding of Turkish politics, is gonna come to impact western influence in middle east adversely very soon. More so European interests in shor

This shallow understanding of Turkish politics, is gonna come to impact western influence in middle east adversely very soon. More so European interests in short term, and US influence globally on the long run. I have been reading comments similar to yours. Your view is nothing but naive / pure romanticism. There is a large amount of us (Turks of all opinions), just reading silently. Yet you are confident enough to straw-man whole Turkish side of the story into your shallow view. This is very common. Turkey has a bad PR, and it's been useful to a certain extent for the West. But there is a point where unrealistic bad PR, causes ignorance like seen above. This is a divide between West and Turkey. If this is an orchestrated divide. I don't mind West being so ignorant of Turkey. “Never Interrupt Your Enemy When He Is Making A Mistake” Sun Tzu

toiletfuneral 6y ago
So how’s that whole ethnic purging of the Kurds going these days?
LegitShady 6y ago
>If this is an orchestrated divide. I don't mind West being so ignorant of Turkey. The west is so deep in turkey they know what color underwear edrogan wears each morning. You're mistaking PR with reality. The west misunderstanding turkey is much more likely to hurt turkey in the long run, than hurt the west.
- mclightning 6y ago
  Erdogan is not Turkey... A bigger power loses more from any conflict threatening the status quo. Turkey is a key player in protection of status quo surrounding the region shaped heavily by western influence. Turkey siding with Russia/China, leaving NATO would be end of any US influence in mideast + eastern mediterranean. Guess why Putin is giving so many nice toys to Erdogan. He wants to make Turkey confident and stand up for itself by conflict instead of diplomacy. Meanwhile West is doing the opposite game. I think we all know where this goes. Remind you, Turkey is 80M in population. Any all out war or a civilian war, will be 4 times worse than Syria, 2 times worse than Iraq. Europe/West had to redefine itself in face of refugee crisis from Syria. We will be talking about a whole different "Western values" if such a crisis happens. And if that happens, CCP won't look so bad to most of the world.
  - LegitShady 6y ago
    >Turkey is a key player in protection of status quo surrounding the region shaped heavily by western influence. It's interesting that you think its in the west's best interest to continue being blackmailed by Turkey indefinitely. That's the status quo. It won't go on indefinitely no matter what. >Turkey siding with Russia/China Everyone is aware that turkey is playing the powers off each other, but I really doubt Turkey will really side with China or Russia who both hate the islamic religion. >Turkey siding with Russia/China, leaving NATO would be end of any US influence in mideast + eastern mediterranean. Edrogan thinks to forge anew turkish superpower by blackmailing the west and playing the powers off each other. Everyone knows. >Any all out war or a civilian war, will be 4 times worse than Syria, 2 times worse than Iraq. It won't come to that. The west will sanction Turkey into nothing, and Turkey will have the option of becoming 1/100th of its current economy or sell itself to china or russia and become a client state, something erdogan won't stand. >And if that happens, CCP won't look so bad to most of the world. Nobody with an sense in their head sees the political orientation of china and the way Xi can disappear its billionaires and thinks "I should sign up for that, that's the system for me". The CCP system looks terrible, and being a client of theirs is just to be under a boot.
    - mclightning 6y ago
      I guess, only the time will tell :)

toiletfuneral 6y ago

So how’s that whole ethnic purging of the Kurds going these days?

LegitShady 6y ago

>If this is an orchestrated divide. I don't mind West being so ignorant of Turkey. The west is so deep in turkey they know what color underwear edrogan wears each morning. You're mistaking PR with reality. The west misunderstanding turkey is much more likely to hurt turkey in the long run, than hurt the west.

mclightning 6y ago
Erdogan is not Turkey... A bigger power loses more from any conflict threatening the status quo. Turkey is a key player in protection of status quo surrounding the region shaped heavily by western influence. Turkey siding with Russia/China, leaving NATO would be end of any US influence in mideast + eastern mediterranean. Guess why Putin is giving so many nice toys to Erdogan. He wants to make Turkey confident and stand up for itself by conflict instead of diplomacy. Meanwhile West is doing the opposite game. I think we all know where this goes. Remind you, Turkey is 80M in population. Any all out war or a civilian war, will be 4 times worse than Syria, 2 times worse than Iraq. Europe/West had to redefine itself in face of refugee crisis from Syria. We will be talking about a whole different "Western values" if such a crisis happens. And if that happens, CCP won't look so bad to most of the world.
- LegitShady 6y ago
  >Turkey is a key player in protection of status quo surrounding the region shaped heavily by western influence. It's interesting that you think its in the west's best interest to continue being blackmailed by Turkey indefinitely. That's the status quo. It won't go on indefinitely no matter what. >Turkey siding with Russia/China Everyone is aware that turkey is playing the powers off each other, but I really doubt Turkey will really side with China or Russia who both hate the islamic religion. >Turkey siding with Russia/China, leaving NATO would be end of any US influence in mideast + eastern mediterranean. Edrogan thinks to forge anew turkish superpower by blackmailing the west and playing the powers off each other. Everyone knows. >Any all out war or a civilian war, will be 4 times worse than Syria, 2 times worse than Iraq. It won't come to that. The west will sanction Turkey into nothing, and Turkey will have the option of becoming 1/100th of its current economy or sell itself to china or russia and become a client state, something erdogan won't stand. >And if that happens, CCP won't look so bad to most of the world. Nobody with an sense in their head sees the political orientation of china and the way Xi can disappear its billionaires and thinks "I should sign up for that, that's the system for me". The CCP system looks terrible, and being a client of theirs is just to be under a boot.
  - mclightning 6y ago
    I guess, only the time will tell :)