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Element on iOS crashes when I try to log in, so there's that. Both Element/Matrix and Signal don't come close to WhatsApp, sadly.

by float4 6y ago

rvz 6y ago
> Both Element/Matrix and Signal don't come close to WhatsApp, sadly. That is the unfortunate reality-hitting hard truth right there. Element and Signal are just not ready yet for serious widespread general use to compete with WhatsApp. Signal is still immature and lacks tons of functionality compared to WhatsApp. Element suffers from usability and onboarding issues which frustrate the user. The fact we have to keep mentioning the protocol 'Matrix' next to the client name 'Element' creates further confusion to the user; leaving them to ignore it altogether. That's before they get confused and lost in the settings page. Telegram on the other hand has a better chance to compete against WhatsApp.
- mft_ 6y ago
  I'm interested: aside from the phone number/backup issues well documented on every HN thread about Signal, which features do you think that Signal lacks?
  - niksakl 6y ago
    "Streams" for example. You cannot create a group of contacts that only receive messages from you, but they cannot send into the group. Replies of stream-members only come to the creator of the stream. Moreover, members of "streams" do not see other members. Basically is a BCC functionality for messages. I am a signal user since ages and constantly try to "convert" people. I miss this.
    - mft_ 6y ago
      Huh, TIL. I've never come across this feature - not on WhatsApp, iMessage, SMS (obvs)...
      - omnimus 6y ago
        I think it's only in Telegram. Mostly used by businesses. It's important to realize that Signal is aiming to be iMessage replacement Whatsapp/Telegram/Discord are more like "chatservers" with rooms. Signal right now focuses on simple 1to1 messaging with sending pictures/media etc. That's what they do really well. Btw iMessage also have super basic desktop client. It works even worse than Signal desktop (random logouts and messages sent as different account with only "email"). It might not be so easy going from 1v1 fully encrypted chat to manytomany fully encrypted chatroom megaserver. Apple seems to also struggle with it.
        niksakl 6y ago
        WhatsApp has streams.

Element on iOS crashes when I try to log in, so there's that. Both Element/Matrix and Signal don't come close to WhatsApp, sadly.

by float4 6y ago

Element on iOS crashes when I try to log in, so there's that. Both Element/Matrix and Signal don't come close to WhatsApp, sadly.

rvz 6y ago

> Both Element/Matrix and Signal don't come close to WhatsApp, sadly. That is the unfortunate reality-hitting hard truth right there. Element and Signal are just not ready yet for serious widespread general use to compete with WhatsApp. Signal is still immature and lacks tons of functionality compared to WhatsApp. Element suffers from usability and onboarding issues which frustrate the user. The fact we have to keep mentioning the protocol 'Matrix' next to the client name 'Element' creates further confusion to the user; leaving them to ignore it altogether. That's before they get confused and lost in the settings page. Telegram on the other hand has a better chance to compete against WhatsApp.

mft_ 6y ago
I'm interested: aside from the phone number/backup issues well documented on every HN thread about Signal, which features do you think that Signal lacks?
- niksakl 6y ago
  "Streams" for example. You cannot create a group of contacts that only receive messages from you, but they cannot send into the group. Replies of stream-members only come to the creator of the stream. Moreover, members of "streams" do not see other members. Basically is a BCC functionality for messages. I am a signal user since ages and constantly try to "convert" people. I miss this.
  - mft_ 6y ago
    Huh, TIL. I've never come across this feature - not on WhatsApp, iMessage, SMS (obvs)...
    - omnimus 6y ago
      I think it's only in Telegram. Mostly used by businesses. It's important to realize that Signal is aiming to be iMessage replacement Whatsapp/Telegram/Discord are more like "chatservers" with rooms. Signal right now focuses on simple 1to1 messaging with sending pictures/media etc. That's what they do really well. Btw iMessage also have super basic desktop client. It works even worse than Signal desktop (random logouts and messages sent as different account with only "email"). It might not be so easy going from 1v1 fully encrypted chat to manytomany fully encrypted chatroom megaserver. Apple seems to also struggle with it.
      - niksakl 6y ago
        WhatsApp has streams.