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If someone cannot think about a topic without classifying the genitals of the discussed people irrespective of what they are talking about, you'd probably not b

If someone cannot think about a topic without classifying the genitals of the discussed people irrespective of what they are talking about, you'd probably not be wrong to take notice of that. Not that it matters, but, expecting the whole world to share the same perversion is a bit too much..

random5634 6y ago
What is the fixation on “genitals” here? This comes up surprisingly often in this type of conversation. “Hey guys, anyone want to get coffee?” “Sure” Random SJW: “why are you focused on genitals? What a weird perversion” Everyone else: “Huh?” Is this a projection thing? Half the time the lazy pronoun use appears to be the exact opposite of this claim - the writer hasn’t stopped to think and classify readers by their genitals.
- dmingod666 6y ago
  You are repeating my point.. My point was, why do you want to attribute gender to things where it isn't directly relevant.. How does the author know the gender breakdown of a currency where we can't even figure out who the person behind the bitcoin address is...
  - viraptor 6y ago
    > How does the author know the gender breakdown of a currency where we can't even figure out who the person behind the bitcoin address is... A large number of whales holding BTC is known / very public and vocal - as the article itself discusses. You can also do a survey of Bitcoin related conferences. You can look at large datasets like the public list of MtGox debts. At this point you'd need some good supporting data to claim BTC holders and traders are not a male-dominated group.
    - dmingod666 6y ago
      If there is a claim that an anonymous currency is owned in major part by a certain gender the burden of proof lies on the people making a claim.. I don't think anyone can actually prove these numbers.. If I say 70% of cash is held by group 'x'. prove me wrong, you can't. No one is going to be able to do that. Let me know if you have a link to MtGox sharing gender breakdown of their owners..
      - wayneftw 6y ago
        > I don't think anyone can actually prove these numbers.. Nobody is making a court case out of it, except for you. Everybody else is just using their common perception, that it is indeed mostly men holding bitcoins because it’s mostly men talking about it and it’s commonly known that mostly men are into computer technology. Let me know if you can’t justify a correlation between those things and I’ll help you “read the room” better. Anyway, the article says that “Coinbase Global Inc.” is mostly men, not holders of Bitcoin. Without even looking I can tell you that’s most likely 100% accurate.
        dmingod666 6y ago
        "Men own most bitcoins" "Mostly men are into computer technology." Where exactly in the bitcoin purchase or process the gender of a person relevant or disclosed? Why do people try to drag gender into things where it has zero relevance. I'm not trying to be a lawyer, the point is, that this argument has as much logic as "Aquarians are better swimmers." You can't prove or disprove it.. either way, it's irrelevant..
        wayneftw 6y ago
        If someone said "The remarkably small circle of mostly hair stylists who control bitcoin" would you have responded so many times? No, there's something about gender here that's got you incensed. I'm not trying to sound flippant, but I think there's more to this than genitals and the amount of relevance that genitals or gender has to the story. First though, I think you're confusing what was said. The starting sentence of the article is: > Coinbase Global Inc.’s filing to become a publicly-traded company provides a glimpse into the remarkably small circle of mostly men who command the incredibly lucrative digital landscape. That's not a statement about "men own most bitcoins" it's saying that Coinbase Global is run mostly by men. This is easily proven. You can look right here - 5 out of 7 of their executive team are men and 7 out of 9 on their board are also men - https://www.coinbase.com/about https://www.coinbase.com/about So someone responded about that first sentence saying 'Any article that uses the sentence "mostly men" in the first paragraph is highly likely not worth reading'. You agreed with that sentiment, pointing out why - you think mentioning gender is irrelevant and furthermore it is a "perversion" for someone to do so. (Would it be a perversion if they said "hair stylists"?) Here's why I think you're wrong on that point though. You're strictly equating "gender" and "genitals" as if they're synonyms. They're not. If you think that's true, try an experiment: Ask random people the first thing that comes to their mind when you say the word "men" or the word "women" to them. I'll bet you money that the vast, vast majority of people will not just say "penises" or "vaginas". They'll say so many other things because those words convey so much more than just genitalia. In the news they constantly mention the gender of people, especially if the group of people they're discussing are all or even mostly one gender. That's because it helps listeners picture what's happening in their mind. Moreover, reversed gender roles are absolutely interesting to people. For instance - most criminals are men [0], so if a group of women robbed a bank you can rest assured that the news would absolutely say "A group of women robbed a bank" and also that it would be so interesting to people that they'd make a movie about it. Even if men robbed the bank, they would say "a group of men" because if they said "a group of people robbed a bank" people would want to know - so if it's a mixed group the news will say "two men and a woman robbed a bank today." Why are most men criminals though? It's probably because men are just generally more aggressive than women. That fact is just one of the many that will occur to people when they hear about a group of people doing something. Genitalia is the furthest thing from their mind. In the end, I don't know exactly why Matthew Leising, the author of this article, even mentioned that it's mostly men that run Coinbase Global. I know for a fact that most people would not be bothered at all by this tidbit of information being mentioned though. I'm not. I don't even care about bitcoin and I'm not even sure why I bothered to read these comments. One thing I am concerned about though is how people are squaring up to fight over these types of things. Why do you have such a strong reaction to someone mentioning the possible/probable gender ratio of a group of people? Perhaps the subject of societies treatment and recognition of gender in general is something close to your heart? I don't know - but I don't want the world fighting over this too so I'd like to help if I can. [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=gender+percentage+of+criminals https://www.google.com/search?q=gender+percentage+of+crimina...
  - random5634 6y ago
    "Hey guys, want to get coffee" - is a historically common (and yes, now bad way) of asking if a group of folks, of any gender, want to get coffee. The insistence that someone is focusing on genital's and have a pervasion when asking this really does seem like a projection on the part of the folks making that claim, and I have noticed the genitals things come up over and over now in this context - it seriously is WEIRD! Please read up on projection. Many of us are married, with kids, and focusing on the genitals of work colleagues is the LAST thing on our minds. I've broadened it in the past, hey guys and girls or hey guys and women - all less than ideal in my view, girls doesn't have same connotations as guys, and women or ladies feels awkward. Hey people works well in my view. But when a women says to me, hey guys, want to get coffee - I don't freak out on them with this type of focus on genitals / perversion language. I just say, sounds great - 5 minutes? And away we go very happily to chat about whatever issue has come up.
    - 177tcca 6y ago
      Texans had "y'all" right the entire time.
      - random5634 6y ago
        Haha. Doesn't work where I am as southern accents are seen as racist in a way - and also I'm not southern so would be weird on that level - but I like it if you were in the south!
    - gfody 6y ago
      btw "gaz" is a perfectly harmless way to address a mixed crowd - the men hear "guys" and the women hear "gals" and not even the worst griefer would pick on a speech impediment
    - moistly 6y ago
      Are you telling us that you’ve never heard a woman say to her group of female friends “Hey guys, wanna xyz?” It’s 2021. “Guys” has been gender neutral since basically forever and a day. It was so in my schools in the 70s/80s, and by my mother’s recollection, the same back in her school days. And it pretty much has to be so: we lack a good alternative second person plural. Note though that “guy” (singular) is gendered.

random5634 6y ago

What is the fixation on “genitals” here? This comes up surprisingly often in this type of conversation. “Hey guys, anyone want to get coffee?” “Sure” Random SJW: “why are you focused on genitals? What a weird perversion” Everyone else: “Huh?” Is this a projection thing? Half the time the lazy pronoun use appears to be the exact opposite of this claim - the writer hasn’t stopped to think and classify readers by their genitals.

dmingod666 6y ago
You are repeating my point.. My point was, why do you want to attribute gender to things where it isn't directly relevant.. How does the author know the gender breakdown of a currency where we can't even figure out who the person behind the bitcoin address is...
- viraptor 6y ago
  > How does the author know the gender breakdown of a currency where we can't even figure out who the person behind the bitcoin address is... A large number of whales holding BTC is known / very public and vocal - as the article itself discusses. You can also do a survey of Bitcoin related conferences. You can look at large datasets like the public list of MtGox debts. At this point you'd need some good supporting data to claim BTC holders and traders are not a male-dominated group.
  - dmingod666 6y ago
    If there is a claim that an anonymous currency is owned in major part by a certain gender the burden of proof lies on the people making a claim.. I don't think anyone can actually prove these numbers.. If I say 70% of cash is held by group 'x'. prove me wrong, you can't. No one is going to be able to do that. Let me know if you have a link to MtGox sharing gender breakdown of their owners..
    - wayneftw 6y ago
      > I don't think anyone can actually prove these numbers.. Nobody is making a court case out of it, except for you. Everybody else is just using their common perception, that it is indeed mostly men holding bitcoins because it’s mostly men talking about it and it’s commonly known that mostly men are into computer technology. Let me know if you can’t justify a correlation between those things and I’ll help you “read the room” better. Anyway, the article says that “Coinbase Global Inc.” is mostly men, not holders of Bitcoin. Without even looking I can tell you that’s most likely 100% accurate.
      - dmingod666 6y ago
        "Men own most bitcoins" "Mostly men are into computer technology." Where exactly in the bitcoin purchase or process the gender of a person relevant or disclosed? Why do people try to drag gender into things where it has zero relevance. I'm not trying to be a lawyer, the point is, that this argument has as much logic as "Aquarians are better swimmers." You can't prove or disprove it.. either way, it's irrelevant..
        wayneftw 6y ago
        If someone said "The remarkably small circle of mostly hair stylists who control bitcoin" would you have responded so many times? No, there's something about gender here that's got you incensed. I'm not trying to sound flippant, but I think there's more to this than genitals and the amount of relevance that genitals or gender has to the story. First though, I think you're confusing what was said. The starting sentence of the article is: > Coinbase Global Inc.’s filing to become a publicly-traded company provides a glimpse into the remarkably small circle of mostly men who command the incredibly lucrative digital landscape. That's not a statement about "men own most bitcoins" it's saying that Coinbase Global is run mostly by men. This is easily proven. You can look right here - 5 out of 7 of their executive team are men and 7 out of 9 on their board are also men - https://www.coinbase.com/about https://www.coinbase.com/about So someone responded about that first sentence saying 'Any article that uses the sentence "mostly men" in the first paragraph is highly likely not worth reading'. You agreed with that sentiment, pointing out why - you think mentioning gender is irrelevant and furthermore it is a "perversion" for someone to do so. (Would it be a perversion if they said "hair stylists"?) Here's why I think you're wrong on that point though. You're strictly equating "gender" and "genitals" as if they're synonyms. They're not. If you think that's true, try an experiment: Ask random people the first thing that comes to their mind when you say the word "men" or the word "women" to them. I'll bet you money that the vast, vast majority of people will not just say "penises" or "vaginas". They'll say so many other things because those words convey so much more than just genitalia. In the news they constantly mention the gender of people, especially if the group of people they're discussing are all or even mostly one gender. That's because it helps listeners picture what's happening in their mind. Moreover, reversed gender roles are absolutely interesting to people. For instance - most criminals are men [0], so if a group of women robbed a bank you can rest assured that the news would absolutely say "A group of women robbed a bank" and also that it would be so interesting to people that they'd make a movie about it. Even if men robbed the bank, they would say "a group of men" because if they said "a group of people robbed a bank" people would want to know - so if it's a mixed group the news will say "two men and a woman robbed a bank today." Why are most men criminals though? It's probably because men are just generally more aggressive than women. That fact is just one of the many that will occur to people when they hear about a group of people doing something. Genitalia is the furthest thing from their mind. In the end, I don't know exactly why Matthew Leising, the author of this article, even mentioned that it's mostly men that run Coinbase Global. I know for a fact that most people would not be bothered at all by this tidbit of information being mentioned though. I'm not. I don't even care about bitcoin and I'm not even sure why I bothered to read these comments. One thing I am concerned about though is how people are squaring up to fight over these types of things. Why do you have such a strong reaction to someone mentioning the possible/probable gender ratio of a group of people? Perhaps the subject of societies treatment and recognition of gender in general is something close to your heart? I don't know - but I don't want the world fighting over this too so I'd like to help if I can. [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=gender+percentage+of+criminals https://www.google.com/search?q=gender+percentage+of+crimina...
- random5634 6y ago
  "Hey guys, want to get coffee" - is a historically common (and yes, now bad way) of asking if a group of folks, of any gender, want to get coffee. The insistence that someone is focusing on genital's and have a pervasion when asking this really does seem like a projection on the part of the folks making that claim, and I have noticed the genitals things come up over and over now in this context - it seriously is WEIRD! Please read up on projection. Many of us are married, with kids, and focusing on the genitals of work colleagues is the LAST thing on our minds. I've broadened it in the past, hey guys and girls or hey guys and women - all less than ideal in my view, girls doesn't have same connotations as guys, and women or ladies feels awkward. Hey people works well in my view. But when a women says to me, hey guys, want to get coffee - I don't freak out on them with this type of focus on genitals / perversion language. I just say, sounds great - 5 minutes? And away we go very happily to chat about whatever issue has come up.
  - 177tcca 6y ago
    Texans had "y'all" right the entire time.
    - random5634 6y ago
      Haha. Doesn't work where I am as southern accents are seen as racist in a way - and also I'm not southern so would be weird on that level - but I like it if you were in the south!
  - gfody 6y ago
    btw "gaz" is a perfectly harmless way to address a mixed crowd - the men hear "guys" and the women hear "gals" and not even the worst griefer would pick on a speech impediment
  - moistly 6y ago
    Are you telling us that you’ve never heard a woman say to her group of female friends “Hey guys, wanna xyz?” It’s 2021. “Guys” has been gender neutral since basically forever and a day. It was so in my schools in the 70s/80s, and by my mother’s recollection, the same back in her school days. And it pretty much has to be so: we lack a good alternative second person plural. Note though that “guy” (singular) is gendered.